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Luke Ronchi to NZ

BeeGee

International Captain
Dean Brownlie?
The fact that Dean Brownlie scored more runs than any (other) Australian batsman in the recent NZ - Aus Test series, tends to suggest that he is a talented batsman who's able to compete at the highest level.

Just because he was looked upon as a third tier player in Australia doesn't mean he is one, it just means Australians are terrible at talent identification.
 
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Noble One

International Vice-Captain
When a batsman spends years in club cricket with a low 30's average, you can hardly blame any Australian state selector from overlooking whatever talent he may hold.
 

Howsie

Cricketer Of The Year
When a batsman spends years in club cricket with a low 30's average, you can hardly blame any Australian state selector from overlooking whatever talent he may hold.
No, but when he heads overseas and averages 50+ in a domestic first class competition, dominates A tours, and has the start to his international career he's had you probably could then.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Maybe he just improved?

Hard to blame Australian cricket for missing Brownlie imo.
 

uvelocity

International Coach
No, but when he heads overseas and averages 50+ in a domestic first class competition, dominates A tours, and has the start to his international career he's had you probably could then.
Or, you could say the standard of NZ FC cricket is below WA grade cricket and he had a lucky start to his test career.
 

Howsie

Cricketer Of The Year
Maybe he just improved?

Hard to blame Australian cricket for missing Brownlie imo.
Well injuries did play a part. He blew out his knee twice iirc in his early 20's and by the time he'd managed to get himself back to 100 percent he felt as though his time had past in getting a shot at cracking state cricket. If true that's a pretty sad indictment on Australian cricket though IMO.

Or, you could say the standard of NZ FC cricket is below WA grade cricket and he had a lucky start to his test career.
And the two years where he's been the best batsmen at the emerging players tournament? Obviously fluked that too.
 

SteveNZ

International Coach
Or, you could say the standard of NZ FC cricket is below WA grade cricket and he had a lucky start to his test career.
But if you said that, you'd make a mockery of yourself. The lucky start part in particular. He was all class in Australia especially - you don't fluke that.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Well injuries did play a part. He blew out his knee twice iirc in his early 20's and by the time he'd managed to get himself back to 100 percent he felt as though his time had past in getting a shot at cracking state cricket. If true that's a pretty sad indictment on Australian cricket though IMO.
How is that the case?

Unless someone here was calling on Brownlie to be a potential test player for Australia, no one could have predicted he'd be a test standard player.

Just because Brownlie decided to take a different route to that of Brad Hodge and Mike Hussey and hang around and try and score as many runs as possible in Australia and slam the door down doesn't mean its' Australia's fault imo.
 

TNT

Banned
So Brownlie is a test quality batsman that the Aussies missed and NZ have scooped up. Great to hear. Hope he does well and it is all successful.
 

Howsie

Cricketer Of The Year
How is that the case?

Unless someone here was calling on Brownlie to be a potential test player for Australia, no one could have predicted he'd be a test standard player.

Just because Brownlie decided to take a different route to that of Brad Hodge and Mike Hussey and hang around and try and score as many runs as possible in Australia and slam the door down doesn't mean its' Australia's fault imo.
Of course it's not Australia's fault that they fluffed on Brownlie, but that he felt the need to move to New Zealand because at 24 he was "too old" to crack state cricket is perhaps an indictment on where Australian cricket is at the moment. Where if you're not a chosen one from a young age you don't have much of a future in the game.

Perhaps I'm just talking out my ass though :)
 

BackFootPunch

International 12th Man
This whole Brownlie thing is a bit pointless isn't it? As far as I'm aware he came here in search of an opportunity to play a higher level of cricket, did a lot of hard work with Bob Carter, got his chance and has so far made the most of it. Good on him but I don't think that really gives an indication of where the NZ domestic scene sits in relation to Australia. Given that Aus has a greater population of cricketers it should be no surprise that they produce a higher number of players in the good/very good brackets. I'm sure they produce far more absolutely rubbish club cricketers too, simply because more people play the game. However, the very nature of top level sport seems to indicate that just having more people playing the game doesn't result in more great players.

So the way I see it is that, for example, the Sydney grade competition is obviously far superior to any club cricket in NZ. Perhaps one or two of the best players in each team here would make it over there, whereas probably the whole team and most of the seconds would succeed in club cricket here. At the next level (FC) the gap gets smaller because, despite Australia having more good and very good players, the step up can still only be made by a small proportion of those - regardless of numbers. So, the Australian domestic competition is better than NZ, but not by anywhere near as much as the difference between the level below. And finally, at the international level, the gap is smaller again because simply having more good/very good players doesn't always produce more great players (see India). Australia, assuming their domestic structure remains conducive to producing good cricketers, is always more likely to have more great players at any one time but because there are a variety of factors that lead to any great player making it, this isn't always the case. See the difference between the respective test teams of Aus and NZ in 2006/07 and now. Australia were clearly vastly superior then. Now they're still superior but there is far more chance of an upset like Hobart. That's how I see it anyway. NZ probably punches above its weight somewhat but when it comes to top level sport the gap between two teams of players who've made it all the way from junior, club and FC cricket is never going to be as big as it is a couple of levels down.

BTW for the purposes of this argument good means decent club player, very good means decent FC player and great means decent international player (not great in the ATG sense).
 

thierry henry

International Coach
tbh I think we should take it easy re: Brownlie at the moment....he certainly isn't a proven commodity yet and his path to the top rightfully raises question marks. Let's just wait and see.

I also think it's ridiculous for NZ fans to carry on like Ronchi is no show of making the Black Caps. If he improves like Brownlie apparently did he'll end up making Bradman look like Colin de Grandhomme, not to mention be the best keeper the world has ever seen.
 

Zinzan

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tbh I think we should take it easy re: Brownlie at the moment....he certainly isn't a proven commodity yet and his path to the top rightfully raises question marks. Let's just wait and see.

I also think it's ridiculous for NZ fans to carry on like Ronchi is no show of making the Black Caps. If he improves like Brownlie apparently did he'll end up making Bradman look like Colin de Grandhomme, not to mention be the best keeper the world has ever seen.
Don't think anyone's been suggesting he's no chance of making the NZ side, I think people are just saying he's not necessarily a dead-cert
 

benchmark00

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Don't think anyone's been suggesting he's no chance of making the NZ side, I think people are just saying he's not necessarily a dead-cert

Nah not at all:

McGlashan will go to Wellington before Watling does.

In other news..ship...sailed. Won't happen Mr Ronchi.
Wow, he's almost 31. No chance imo unless he totally dominates domestic, which I again doubt.
$100 says he ends up at Wellington?

No chance he'll play for New Zealand, if he hadn't played for Australia then perhaps he may of but I doubt he will. It just wouldn't sit right over here.
 

wellAlbidarned

International Coach
I don't think it's unfair to say he's unlikely to be selected even if he performs very well, there's a fair bit of stigma about playing for two major international teams, not to mention NZers being far from impartial on the matter of Kiwis who've abandoned ship for Aus (Hint: Quade Cooper ringing a bell?)
 

BackFootPunch

International 12th Man
I don't think it's unfair to say he's unlikely to be selected even if he performs very well, there's a fair bit of stigma about playing for two major international teams, not to mention NZers being far from impartial on the matter of Kiwis who've abandoned ship for Aus (Hint: Quade Cooper ringing a bell?)
I disagree, if he's good enough he'll be selected and if he performs for NZ he'll be loved like any other. Irene van Dyk has done pretty bloody well for herself since moving here (feel free to argue Netball isn't a major sport). If he wins us a few games, which he seems very capable of doing, Ronchi won't have any problems. And we'll have to put up with Smithy and Doully bringing up his Australian past every time he walks out to bat.
 

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