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***Official*** Pakistan and England in UAE

Who do you think will win?!


  • Total voters
    88

Furball

Evil Scotsman
nope.. I have already explained my reasoning. I am yet to hear anything concrete from the opposite camp except, well, he is a batsman and you don't replace a batsman with a bowler nonsense.
So you're saying Finn, a guy with a Test batting average of 8 and a FC high score of 32, was a better bet to score more runs than Eoin Morgan, who went into the series with a Test average of 34?

Either you're being deliberately thick or are just trolling. Whichever it is, I'm done with this argument.
 

slowfinger

International Debutant
Who cares how slowly someone scores? I'd rather someone score slowly and get their side to 260 than try and get quick and flashy runs and get bundled out for 100. Gosh...
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
So you're saying Finn, a guy with a Test batting average of 8 and a FC high score of 32, was a better bet to score more runs than Eoin Morgan, who went into the series with a Test average of 34?

Either you're being deliberately thick or are just trolling. Whichever it is, I'm done with this argument.
no.. I think he would have contributed more allround, for England than Morgan did as a batsman. The fact that you keep avoiding this part of my reasoning shows you are more interested in waving your dick around than actual constructive debate.. So forget it. I am done too.
 

Jacknife

International Captain
no.. I think he would have contributed more allround, for England than Morgan did as a batsman. The fact that you keep avoiding this part of my reasoning shows you are more interested in waving your dick around than actual constructive debate.. So forget it. I am done too.
I don't know if you missed it but the bowling wasn't the problem in the slightest during the Test series, if you were arguing England should have played another batsman instead of Morgan you would have a point but your not so you don't.
 

Jacknife

International Captain
Just wondering whether they'll want to get Buttler in for the next game and if so who would he replace. An option is to straight swap him for Kieswetter, which would be a bit rough after only one game. I know they mentioned on comms that it was between him and Ravi for the spot but I can't see how they can get rid of Ravi now.
For me they've just got to get the lad in anyway they can, really want to see what he can do against this Pakistan side, especially with him been in such brilliant form atm.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Just wondering whether they'll want to get Buttler in for the next game and if so who would he replace. An option is to straight swap him for Kieswetter, which would be a bit rough after only one game. I know they mentioned on comms that it was between him and Ravi for the spot but I can't see how they can get rid of Ravi now.
For me they've just got to get the lad in anyway they can, really want to see what he can do against this Pakistan side, especially with him been in such brilliant form atm.
You'd have to think that Kieswetter would be the one for the chop.
 

Jacknife

International Captain
If they're trying him out in the openers position long term like they say they are, he should get a proper go at it, so I can't see how it should be him. If they did drop him, that would mean Kieswetter back to the openers spot and back to square one.
 

Woodster

International Captain
I don't think Buttler will get a game in the next one after Bopara made 50 today, perhaps the position he would push for prior to this game.
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Just wondering whether they'll want to get Buttler in for the next game and if so who would he replace. An option is to straight swap him for Kieswetter, which would be a bit rough after only one game. I know they mentioned on comms that it was between him and Ravi for the spot but I can't see how they can get rid of Ravi now.
For me they've just got to get the lad in anyway they can, really want to see what he can do against this Pakistan side, especially with him been in such brilliant form atm.
They won't make a change, we won, and I guess you could say that both CK and KP need to bed in their new roles.

I'd change it in a nanosecond myself, yet the English selectors aren't known for bold moves.

Yet to be fair they have finally got rid of Wright, Prior and Bell, so thankfully they are for change, just very steady change.

change
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
If they're trying him out in the openers position long term like they say they are, he should get a proper go at it, so I can't see how it should be him. If they did drop him, that would mean Kieswetter back to the openers spot and back to square one.
Well my point was that they shouldn't be trying him out in the opener's role long term. Or short term for that matter. He's not been batting out of position all this time; he's simply had a consistently retched time of it in one day cricket for several years and England need to explore other options. This is basically just another excuse to keep him in the side longer and pardon more failures under the guise of learning a new role.

And as for Kieswetter; if he's not going to open then he shouldn't be playing. He's certainly not an ODI #6 AFAIC; far too boundary-reliant and poor against spin. He may not be a success opening either but if he has to play then that's his only spot.
 
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honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
I don't know if you missed it but the bowling wasn't the problem in the slightest during the Test series, if you were arguing England should have played another batsman instead of Morgan you would have a point but your not so you don't.
well, if they had another batsman that I rate, then yes, that is what I would have said. But given the guys on tour, I felt this was a better option. But then again, who needs facts to concede I do have a point?
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
no.. I think he would have contributed more allround, for England than Morgan did as a batsman. The fact that you keep avoiding this part of my reasoning shows you are more interested in waving your dick around than actual constructive debate.. So forget it. I am done too.
Lies. :(
 

Jacknife

International Captain
well, if they had another batsman that I rate, then yes, that is what I would have said. But given the guys on tour, I felt this was a better option. But then again, who needs facts to concede I do have a point?
The only fact is, England didn't need another bowler they needed runs.
 

Jacknife

International Captain
Well my point was that they shouldn't be trying him out in the opener's role long term. Or short term for that matter. He's not been batting out of position all this time; he's simply had a consistently retched time of it in one day cricket for several years and England need to explore other options. This is basically just another excuse to keep him in the side longer and pardon more failures under the guise of learning a new role.

And as for Kieswetter; if he's not going to open then he shouldn't be playing. He's certainly not an ODI #6 AFAIC; far too boundary-reliant and poor against spin. He may not be a success opening either but if he has to play then that's his only spot.
Don't think it will be, if he doesn't find runs in this series and they'll probably give him the SL one, he'll go. I've always fancied him in the openers role especially since Trott came into the side and England have been looking for one. He just needs to somehow get himself a decent score and take the pressure off himself and I believe he can be a success there.

Personally don't think Kiewswetter is a no6 either but that's where they've tried him out on the Lions tour and seem to be giving him a chance. Doesn't make a lot of sense seen as they've a ready made replacement who's far better at the role but it all seems to be part of a bigger plan they've talked about after the Indian tour.
 

Howe_zat

Audio File
KP will not be dropped, rightly or wrongly they are trying to kill two birds with one stone by trying to get him to open again. I liked it when they tried it the first time, and similarly to my initial outlook on Keiswetter, I'm going to say that under the chance it works, the payoff will be more than worth the risk. Last roll of the dice for mine - if this doesn't work, then I'm done with him.

They rather have painted themselves into a corner by deploying Keiswetter in the middle order. It's playing a guy out of position when playing him in position was the only reason he was in the squad in the first place. There is no reason why Keiswetter is any better at no.6 than Prior, who people are all too ready to forget did well there for several months before Keiswetter's meteoric rise in 2010. I'm not saying go back to Prior in ODIs, just that this is a compromise that helps no-one and doesn't solve anything. I always argue with a rhetoric along the lines of "I don't care who replaces them, they need to be dropped", because that's completely unconstructive illogical. But what I'm seeing from Keiswetter, while knowing of Prior, Davies, Buttler, Bairstow, Foster or just about friggin' anyone, I've stopped myself an inch before saying it.

Sadly, Buttler won't keep ahead of Keiswetter on this tour, not only because he's a mediocre keeper but because he's much better deployed in the outfield. That's how they want to use him. And I know this because if they wanted to play him as a keeper/bat they would have done it by now. Buttler's performances on the A-tour to SL, against an attack including Test spinners and a World Cup Final spinner, are the kind of performances that make national selection look ridiculously easy. 102(56), 40(34), 119(130), 1(3) and 64(31) are the kind of numbers an England selector should be thanking his lucky stars for, absolving him from all responsibility of having to make a tight call.

I wouldn't mind him playing as a specialist bat at all, but since it presumably means dropping the man who has been our best ODI bat over the last three years, or a man who just hit a 50 and is being deployed to high in the order for Buttler to replace, they will end up leaving out a man who has more weight of domestic and Lions performances behind him than anyone has possibly ever had for an attainable England place.
 
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