uvelocity
International Coach
you know what, from the very little I've heard from him, I really like the bloke.Ajmal haters can suck it and keep on sucking it
you know what, from the very little I've heard from him, I really like the bloke.Ajmal haters can suck it and keep on sucking it
You can so easily say "Had India not let Swann and Broad get runs at Trent Bridge, had India not collapse like bitches after being 50 ahead with 6 wkts in hand etc." then it's 1-1 and the series is totally different.Stupid comment.
Look, England deservedly lost 3-0 because the Pakistani bowlers owned our batsmen throughout the series. However, in the 2nd Test, England had a 4th innings target of 145. In the 3rd Test, we bowled out Pakistan for 99 on the first day. Those are scenarios where you'd expect teams to win on the vast majority of occasions - I can't figure out how to fiddle with statsguru to get some numbers regarding how often a team successfully chases down a total of <150, but Pakistan being the first team in 105 years to win a Test after failing to make 100 in the first innings of a Test match tells you all you need to know about whether England should have won the 3rd Test.
That is a million miles away from your 'if only India's batsmen could have collectively scored 500 more runs in each test' scenario, in which you've also conveniently forgotten how hopeless India's bowling was in 7 out of the 8 Tests in question.
Apparently starting the game well and finishing it poorly is better than the other way around.Also could say Pakistan should not have got out for 99 in the first day of the 3rd test. And also they Should not have set England a total of less than 150 to chase in the 2nd test.
Works both ways.
Clearly nobody said that, straw manApparently starting the game well and finishing it poorly is better than the other way around.
Every team that has lost a series ever will have those moments. But I don't see why the fans saying it could have so easily been 2-1 use this as some sort of justification.Clearly nobody said that, straw man
Anyway this has gone on long enough. Clearly we deserved to lose the series but I don't see why people can't see why it's frustrating for us? There were moments there for the taking and we blew them and ultimately that cost us, but that doesn't and shouldn't take anything away from Pakistan who did quite the opposite - made the key moments count and fought back from their setbacks
I've said plenty of times that the quality of Pakistan's bowling, combined with the ineptitude of England's batting means that the scoreline was a fair one.Tbf I don't think the English are using it as some sort of "justification" through that statement. I disagree that saying it could have been 2-1 is a fair statement, but nevertheless they're not stating that to take anything away from Pakistan or defend their performance.
The bowling in England's 2nd innings at Trent Bridge is probably the worst collective effort I've ever seen in a Test tbh.You can so easily say "Had India not let Swann and Broad get runs at Trent Bridge, had India not collapse like bitches after being 50 ahead with 6 wkts in hand etc." then it's 1-1 and the series is totally different.
Can say the exact same thing about India vs. Australia in the MCG test, and the series is different if they are 1-0 up.
But you won't hear anyone sensible saying that because its fairly useless. Saying England could have won 2-1 is a massive stretch imo.
The problem is when you say "should" have won. With this team in these conditions, it is quite obvious they were never in a position to say we should have won this game.I've said plenty of times that the quality of Pakistan's bowling, combined with the ineptitude of England's batting means that the scoreline was a fair one.
That doesn't stop it from being massively frustrating. England got themselves into positions where they should have won 2 of the Tests. What should happen and what does happen are two massively different things though.