Well, I hope it's not Tsotsobe as it will only force Morkel back into the team. I'd love to see De Lange being picked, or any of the guys who have made a name in the local 4-dayers.Morkel could walk into any team in the world at the moment (apart from England) and RSA is replacing him for Tsotsobe.
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*Official* Sri Lanka in South Africa 2011/12
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MrPrez
International Debutant
Tsotsobe does average 27ish in FC and is a very good bowler. Morne is miles better though imo, and regardless of his form should be kept in the team. As I have said before (not sure if I have here), if Morne is out of form, what better series than this one to find it again?
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
DWTA strongly. He's just not very good, and I'd be looking at the likes of Friend and Theron ahead of him at this stage (not that Morkel should be anywhere near getting dropped - and I say that as the biggest Morkel sceptic on this forum before Garson started posting
).Also, if you remove the wickets he's taken in glorified three-day park cricket for Eastern Province he averages over 30 with the ball in First Class cricket; numbers that suggest he's in the same ballpark as Albie Morkel as a bowler. That 27 figure (which is hardly great shakes anyway if you're looking at a Test prospect) is slightly misleading.
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Furball
Evil Scotsman
Haha, saved me asking the question.DWTA strongly. He's just not very good, and I'd be looking at the likes of Friend and Theron ahead of him at this stage (not that Morkel should be anywhere near getting dropped - and I say that as the biggest Morkel sceptic on this forum before Garson started posting
Also, if you remove the wickets he's taken in glorified three-day park cricket for Eastern Province he averages over 30 with the ball in First Class cricket; numbers that suggest he's in the same ballpark as Albie Morkel as a bowler; that 27 figure (which is hardly great shakes anyway if you're looking at a Test prospect) is slightly misleading.
edit: what does Philander average in proper FC cricket (ignore his Test stats for now)
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Philander has taken 30 wickets @ 12 in prank cricket.
For the Cobras (his proper franchise team) and Western Province-Boland (the old name for it after the two traditional sides first 'merged' into the franchise) he's taken 197 wickets @ 19.91.
He's also played for Middlesex (10 wickets @ 27), South Africa A (14 wickets @ 32) and some Tests (24 wickets @ 12).
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
I think only one person is actually suggesting Morkel should get dropped; the rest of us are just discussing South Africa's pace bowling depth, which is definitely an interesting topic.
popepouri
State Vice-Captain
****, with all this crazy talk, bring back Johan Louw.
Morne has been one of the most consistent bowlers for the past 12 months. 2 bad games and he should be dropped? ****ing madness.
MrPrez
International Debutant
It was joke afaik.
Anyway, I still rate Lopsy as a Test-quality bowler, but I would take Morne over him anyday (obv). All I'm trying to say is that people underrate Lopsy, largely because of his spell at Essex.
Whoever mentioned Albie Morkel needs their head examined, I don't want to see him near a red ball (not a white one either, coincidentally).
@popepouri: I wouldn't say his past 12 months have been very consistent, but I agree that he definitely shouldn't be dropped. I don't think anyone other than Garson (I think) wants him dropped, we're just talking about the other pacers SA have in their stocks.
Anyway, I still rate Lopsy as a Test-quality bowler, but I would take Morne over him anyday (obv). All I'm trying to say is that people underrate Lopsy, largely because of his spell at Essex.
Whoever mentioned Albie Morkel needs their head examined, I don't want to see him near a red ball (not a white one either, coincidentally).
@popepouri: I wouldn't say his past 12 months have been very consistent, but I agree that he definitely shouldn't be dropped. I don't think anyone other than Garson (I think) wants him dropped, we're just talking about the other pacers SA have in their stocks.
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
As much as I feel sorry for Sri Lankan cricket, this was bound to happen. I have always found them a tad overrated. They perform well in the subcontinent and do really well in limited overs cricket but for a nation that has had some really talented and great cricketers, they just don't win enough test matches outside of the subcontinent, forget about test series.
Sangakkara has been disappointing overseas. Don't rate Jayawardene too highly so his failures are not surprising. Overrated batsman.
Sangakkara has been disappointing overseas. Don't rate Jayawardene too highly so his failures are not surprising. Overrated batsman.
Okay, maybe we can rest Steyn for the last test (if we've already won the series) and get De Lange in there. Not only will De Lange compete with Morkel on the same surface, but there would never be any suggestions that Steyn was actually dropped. Is this more of a win-win for you guys?
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
Morkel hasnt been at his best but this is a great opportunity for him to regain his form and fitness...Sri Lankan batsmen cannot handle pace bowling and if he can get some good spells and wickets under his belt, that will help him a great deal. I dont mind resting Steyn though once the series is won, I really dont want him breaking down anytime soon.
He's just a good example. Put someone else unknown in if you wish. The point is that we must draft in new players when the opportunities arise. This idea of just sticking with the same team will never elevate South African cricket. You must always be looking at improving the team.
Nomanculture
School Boy/Girl Captain
Chandimal will replace Silva it seems. Will be a walking wicket in these conditions IMO. Has a specific deficiency against left arm seamers, so if Tsotsobe plays I back Chandimal to score two ducks. Not that he'll score much against other bowlers. Hasn't proven himself as a Test class wicket keeper either...
