***Official*** New Zealand in Australia 2011

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Brilliant.

Tbf he was talking about the series, but still.

 

[thierry henry]

No Vettori----> wickets and wins.

 

[Jono]

Saw Thierry Henry was the latest post in this thread and knew he'd mention no Vettori = win

 

[thierry henry]

I'm like 10% trolling 90% believe from the core of my being that Vettori holds us back badly

 

[NZTailender]

Saw Thierry Henry was the latest post in this thread and new he'd mention no Vettori = win

Yup, same.

 

[Uppercut]

Awesome win for New Zealand . Went to bed at lunch feeling sure they'd manage to let the Aussie tail off the hook. Didn't account for Bracewell, clearly.

 

[Furball]

Almost as good as the Yuvraj photo from the World Cup.

Was knackered last night so went to bed early. The one day of the series I didn't see and New Zealand do that. Wish I hadn't watched earlier, might have won my bets.

 

[TumTum]

He jumped higher than the stumps I think.

 

[Ruckus]

I'm like 10% trolling 90% believe from the core of my being that Vettori holds us back badly

Ha that's pretty much the same way I feel about Ponting and the Aus team atm.

 

[Spark]

Watching the presser.

Clarke doing quite a job of sounding somewhat contemptuous of the BB without actually criticising it.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

Great photo

 

[NUFAN]

If NZ get Warner early Aus could be in some trouble. I think that Bracewell's performance with the ball will go along way in deciding the match.

I didn't get to watch a ball of the action today but I'm happy with my prediction after day 3.

 

[Furball]

Watching the presser.

Clarke doing quite a job of sounding somewhat contemptuous of the BB without actually criticising it.

Can you get much more contemptious than when he announced he wasn't playing in it?

He all but said it was a huge waste of time, and I'm sure the sponsors would have been delighted with the captain of Australia (which makes him one of, if not the biggest star in Australian cricket) deciding the tournament wasn't worth his while.

 

[Spark]

He actually said "my opinion isn't going to change anything" when asked about the BB going on during the Test series. Doesn't leave much doubt as to what his opinion actually is...

 

[Woodster]

What a fantastic conclusion to a thrilling Test match. Just didn't see Australia collapsing again so spectacularly, but I guess I didn't account for Doug Bracewell. Bowled a good length early in the day when the swing wasn't so prevalent, then pushed the ball up when it started to hoop and caused no end of problems.

NZ must have thought it was slipping away after they had two opportunities to semi-celebrate the Test win before the technology denied them, then a healthy partnership from Lyon and Warner when added to their lack of success in Australia, NZ must have thought this had drifted away from them too.

Excellent effort from Warner, though the Man of the Match adjudication shouldn't come from the watching Aussie public as there is no doubt Bracewell turned this game on its head and deserved the award. Quite comical watching the Aussies have to pose for the celebratory photo after the game as they had retained the trophy! Not quite the jubilant scenes you would have expected at the start of the day.

More selection problems for the Aussies, these collapses cannot continue, but what should the make-up of the top seven be ? Ponting, Hussey and Haddin, the experienced players will feel the pressure intensifying on their positions.

 

[Redbacks]

Looks like Warner is about to attack the keeper in that pic.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Ah now that was a fun game. I remember Australia were 100-1 odds on to win at one point last night. Which was highly generous given their ability to collapse and the fact that the only guy you'd look at from an opponent's perspective and think yea he's a big wicket is Clarke. The guys in the Aussie dressing room must think the same way, particularly Haddin given the way he bats.

I think the way Bracewell dominated in the late stages illustrates how experience is over-rated. Australia had some very experienced batsmen, unfortunately they have great experience of collapsing too. I find it funny that people go on about Southee needing more experience... err no he just needs to bowl better. Simple as that. If he goes and has a stint in County Cricket and improves his game it won't the experience of beating Derbyshire that'll make him have a light-bulb moment in a Test match. Experience is more of a team dynamic thing, for captaincy and when you're facing unusual conditions so there's not a negative novelty effect because you've played in them before. When you have experience of things that are almost entirely mental in nature (batting collapses, choking etc.) it tends to be bad experience leads to more bad and good experiences lead to more good.

Anyway will watch with interest what happens to the personnel of both teams. Who will be dropped or moved around.

 

[Woodster]

It is the experienced players that should be guiding Australia to victories in these matches, I don't think experience is necessarily over-rated, they are just letting the team down at the moment and that is why there is plenty of scrutiny about the positions of Ponting, Hussey and Haddin. If you've encountered all kinds of situations, conditions, etc, it can only stand you in good stead as you will have a better idea of how best to perform in those scenarios. Of course it comes down to the quality (and form) of the player naturally, to be able to succeed. Experience is not the be all and end all, but if does offer you a better chance of success.

 

[Scaly piscine]

It is the experienced players that should be guiding Australia to victories in these matches, I don't think experience is necessarily over-rated, they are just letting the team down at the moment and that is why there is plenty of scrutiny about the positions of Ponting, Hussey and Haddin. If you've encountered all kinds of situations, conditions, etc, it can only stand you in good stead as you will have a better idea of how best to perform in those scenarios. Of course it comes down to the quality (and form) of the player naturally, to be able to succeed. Experience is not the be all and end all, but if does offer you a better chance of success.

No it should be the best batsmen that guide these chases. Experience will tell *us* who are the best batsmen and who's got the sort of temperament to cope with the situation - or in many cases who hasn't. This experience might help Warner perform in the next 240odd chase that comes along - in terms of confidence and self-belief, then again since they lost it might not. In reality it will probably have next-to no effect at all. I think people just simply attribute everything good to experience and never attribute anything negative to experience. It's like the concept of a lucky charm, people remember the positive things that have followed but not the negative, so their perception becomes biased.

 

[Woodster]

No it should be the best batsmen that guide these chases. Experience will tell *us* who are the best batsmen and who's got the sort of temperament to cope with the situation - or in many cases who hasn't. This experience might help Warner perform in the next 240odd chase that comes along - in terms of confidence and self-belief, then again since they lost it might not. In reality it will probably have next-to no effect at all. I think people just simply attribute everything good to experience and never attribute anything negative to experience. It's like the concept of a lucky charm, people remember the positive things that have followed but not the negative, so their perception becomes biased.

The England sides of years gone-by were always talked about of having the mental scars borne of out several hammerings given out by Australia. That is where the experience may have a negative effect, and it certainly is talked about.

I always think it is beneficial to have an experienced player out in the middle in such tense situations. David Warner admitted after the game to not really knowing what to do in regards handling the tight finish, I actually think he did pretty well in getting it so close with his strategy, but a man that had been there and done it does have the confidence and experience of knowing how to handle it and how to instruct others to play. As I say, I don't think experience is the be all and end all, but it can only serve to stand players in good stead, players such as Ponting, Hussey and Haddin that have won games from situations like this. But today it wasn't to be.