Butt/Amir/Asif - Spot Fixing Trial

[BoyBrumby]

One sad aspect of the whole sorry episode is that we may never know exactly how many other games were affected by similar dishonesty. Presumably the unnnamed member of the Pakistan management team (& kudos to you, sir, whoever you are) who reported his suspicions to the NotW's "Fake Sheikh" had them aroused by previous untoward activities.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

I don't care if they go to prison or not but one thing I don't get why should their 5 yr bans be turned in to life time bans by ICC haven't we already established this case verdict had no bearing on ICC bans.

Well they should have had life bans to start with. Butt and Asif won't come back anyway as by the time their bans are up they may well be too old to get back in the side. Amir though despite his undoubted talent should NEVER again be allowed to grace an international cricket field. I am sure he will and be welcomed back with open arms by Pakistan, his reception by fans and players around the rest of the world may not be so nice though.

 

[BoyBrumby]

fixed.

It seems it was, yes.

EyeThangEwe. Now, take my wife...please.

 

[Cabinet96]

You wouldn't be referring to a wicketkeeper who inexplicably failed to run out Michael Hussey at Sydney would you?

And who managed to drop him 3 times as well.

After terrorizing Alastair Cook in 2010 Mohammad Asif and Mohammad Amir could be sentenced to prison by judge Justice Cooke. Not the same spelling I know, but kind off ironic.

 

[Xuhaib]

Well they should have had life bans to start with. Butt and Asif won't come back anyway as by the time their bans are up they may well be too old to get back in the side. Amir though despite his undoubted talent should NEVER again be allowed to grace an international cricket field. I am sure he will and be welcomed back with open arms by Pakistan, his reception by fans and players around the rest of the world may not be so nice though.

Even murderers can get second chances in life why should it be different for sportsman especially someone so early in his career and life. And if he is still able to make a decent (honest)career after serving his sentence then he should be appreciated for reforming not begrudged.

 

[Prince EWS]

Well they should have had life bans to start with. Butt and Asif won't come back anyway as by the time their bans are up they may well be too old to get back in the side. Amir though despite his undoubted talent should NEVER again be allowed to grace an international cricket field. I am sure he will and be welcomed back with open arms by Pakistan, his reception by fans and players around the rest of the world may not be so nice though.

While this may be true, nothing significant has changed since they made the decision originally.

 

[Burgey]

Even murderers can get second chances in life why should it be different for sportsman especially someone so early in his career and life. And if he is still able to make a decent (honest)career after serving his sentence then he should be appreciated for reforming not begrudged.

If he was a **** middle order batsman, I think you'd feel differently

 

[Cevno]

Wouldn't mind if Amir made a comeback after serving his ban tbh.

Been over it before in this thread so really don't want to go over the reasons again. He is the only one i have sympathy for in this.

 

[four_or_six]

I'd also be okay with Amir (or Asif or Butt, for that matter) coming back - I think a five year ban is fair. He's not a murderer or anything, people get second chances in life after many crimes and I don't think this is any different to many of these. It'd be an immense effort if he came clean, got through the situation mentally and physically able to get back playing again, presumably play some level of domestic cricket, and then get selected.

 

[Cabinet96]

I'd also be okay with Amir (or Asif or Butt, for that matter) coming back - I think a five year ban is fair. He's not a murderer or anything, people get second chances in life after many crimes and I don't think this is any different to many of these. It'd be an immense effort if he came clean, got through the situation mentally and physically able to get back playing again, presumably play some level of domestic cricket, and then get selected.

Agree with you about Amir possibly even Butt. But I never want to see Asif on a cricket field again. How many drug bans does it take for the ICC to realize the guy is just not getting it.

 

[r3alist]

This discussion on jail terms and what they deserve is actually not really a cricketing topic.

It's quite subjective really, especially since the British courts seem to let people get away with light sentences for more serious and nasty crimes.

In the cricketing sense justice has probably been served, butt and ASIf are finished, that's most important to me.

 

[SJS]

This discussion on jail terms and what they deserve is actually not really a cricketing topic.

It's quite subjective really, especially since the British courts seem to let people get away with light sentences for more serious and nasty crimes.

In the cricketing sense justice has probably been served, butt and ASIf are finished, that's most important to me.

Spot on. AND it is high time someone realised the value of a punishment as a deterrent. Not what we did to Mr Azharuddin who now sits in the Indian parliament.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

You forgot that piece of **** Wasim Akram, SJS. If he had been banned, this humiliation would never have happened.

I may feel upset for them regarding the prison sentence, especially considering that Butt has just had a baby boy , but I don't want to experience the humiliation and the snide comments if any of them come back. So I think it's best that none of them come back to play cricket including Amir (can't believe he did it for £2,500). It's sad that he will not be able to change the fortunes of his family.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

I'm not a Tory, in fact I'm not anything, but I'd hardly say he's got away with anything yet.

What I don't understand is the relevance. It's bad enough reading the crap about Warne and Waugh and trying to excuse these 3 pieces of scum based on that, but now using an unproven allegation against a politician?

I am not excusing what they did, I am saying that why do they get a heavy sentence as jail, when worse pieces of ****s have been given a slap on the wrist. Jail is supposed to be for people who are a harm to society not for idiots who planned on defrauding bookies.

How is it unproven when his best man and friend attended important defence meetings with important dignitaries and was paid for it despite not being an employee. What he did was corrupt and he should be taken to court for it. An innocent man would not have resigned.

 

[Spark]

Not at all. Can think of plenty of instances where a political resignation has been necessary even when nothing wrong has actually been done.

 

[outbreak]

They should have all had life time bans. Anyone arguing even murderers get second chances is missing the point here. All three of them still have a chance at life, nobody is stopping them living their life and finding other means of employment.

If a banker gets caught stealing money from his bank should other banks then employ him?
if a teacher gets caught involved in inappropriate acts with a student should they still be allowed to work in other schools?
If a doctor kills a patient while operating should he be allowed to operate again after a slap on the wrist of afew years?

Criminals get a chance to still live their life after they've served their prison times/been punished whatever the courts decide, but I fail to see how them not being allowed to work the same job that put them in the position to commit crimes in the first place is being considered not giving them a second chance at life.

 

[Burgey]

When a player reveals the playing conditions, it plays just as much an influence on team strategies of the opposition (assuming the news gets leaked) as bowling no balls. Similarly, doping is trying to elevate your performance levels, which is tantamount to influencing a match.

All I am saying is that lets use the same whip for everyone. Not for a moment can anyone condone what these 3 did. But lets not let the buck stop with these 3. Investigate people to whom needles of suspicion have been pointed at and lets not let this positive momentum go waste.

You've got your head up your arse.

 

[Burgey]

I think his crime was far more serious, since he was the defence minister and committed fraud (are you a tory?). My point was that politicians get away with a slap on the wrist so easily.

If Liam Fox has been charged, convicted and sentenced already through the UK legal system, then it's a wonderfully efficient system.

 

[Spikey]

You wouldn't be referring to a wicketkeeper who inexplicably failed to run out Michael Hussey at Sydney would you?

Or a former ICL player who in said test placed some of the most bizarre field settings ever seen in a test match

 

[Days of Grace]

Martin Devlin weighs-in with an absolutely ridiculous article:

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