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**Official** Pakistan and Sri Lanka in UAE

Athlai

Not Terrible
Then you go with whoever you think is better..
But you think they are the same, in fact the selectors are up in arms about it. Split between the two guys. You have the casting vote and you really think both players are despite having differing abilities are basically level in the type of runs you feel they'll bring to the team.

Do you go for the experienced hand? Or do you go for the young buck?
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
But you think they are the same, in fact the selectors are up in arms about it. Split between the two guys. You have the casting vote and you really think both players are despite having differing abilities are basically level in the type of runs you feel they'll bring to the team.
If you can't differentiate between two players then you should probably look for a new job.
 

Daemon

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But you think they are the same, in fact the selectors are up in arms about it. Split between the two guys. You have the casting vote and you really think both players are despite having differing abilities are basically level in the type of runs you feel they'll bring to the team.

Do you go for the experienced hand? Or do you go for the young buck?
Go on looks, charisma and crowd appeal in that order
 

slowfinger

International Debutant
But you think they are the same, in fact the selectors are up in arms about it. Split between the two guys. You have the casting vote and you really think both players are despite having differing abilities are basically level in the type of runs you feel they'll bring to the team.

Do you go for the experienced hand? Or do you go for the young buck?
Go on Rocks, Paper, Scissors ?
 

andruid

Cricketer Of The Year
But you think they are the same, in fact the selectors are up in arms about it. Split between the two guys. You have the casting vote and you really think both players are despite having differing abilities are basically level in the type of runs you feel they'll bring to the team.
Do you go for the experienced hand? Or do you go for the young buck?
Resign from the board and take a long holiday in The Mara.
 

Woodster

International Captain
Sam will anyway hang his boots in 2-3 seasons time. Sanga and MJ will go up to 4 seasons given that they are 33. Dilshan will last for 1 - 2 seasons. There will be window for two new comers to play with Sanga and MJ for a season, as well as Mathews. Dropping Sam to give non-performing youngsters a chance is a massive lol.
Well both Sanga and Mahela are now 34, and who knows when they may retire, perhaps the lure of T20 cricket may shorten their careers. There could be a scenario when they lose all their experience at once, and are left with new players having to learn Test cricket without these guy's experience around.


That's similar to what Australia did with Katich, bringing Hughes in his place, just on a smaller scale. It's Test cricket, you don't drop batsmen unless you know there's someone who's going to do better in their place.
That is similar, and while I didn't necessarily agree with that move, young players have to be introduced into the Test side, whether Katich is the man that should have been left out is open to debate. I do think you cannot just look at the next game, you have to plan for the years down the line, otherwise you end up in a situation that many countries have experienced, and that is a longer period of re-building than may have been necessary.


That's precisely what was stupid about it though. Willingly and knowingly weakening the team for a series in the vague and distant hope for the possibility that maybe one day it it might possibly come off way down the track if everything goes to plan makes no sense. You pick your best team for each and every Test; end of.
Not sure that is how selectors will see it. If you're always picking your best side you are not accounting for any rest players may need, or any planning for the years ahead. Yes always pick a side you feel can win the Test/series, but surely you have to keep one eye on the future.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Not sure that is how selectors will see it. If you're always picking your best side you are not accounting for any rest players may need, or any planning for the years ahead. Yes always pick a side you feel can win the Test/series, but surely you have to keep one eye on the future.
Well obviously, or they wouldn't be picking such a **** team. If they actually think that Paranavitana and Thirimanne are better batsmen than Samaraweera then they have far bigger problems than I imagined. Generally if you're criticising something though it's because you don't agree with it..

The main problem with "building to the future" in Test cricket is that the future never actually comes. In ODIs you have the World Cup - a series far more significant than any other in the format - so I can see the merits in building towards that and gearing your squad to peak at that point. The time eventually does come when you pick for the here and now. In Tests though it just never ends. If you pick a side that you think that will stick together for the next three years then in three years time when you're thinking your less-than-ideal selections might come off, you'll be selecting with an eye for the team in another three years and hence you'll have probably dropped players you'd selected three years prior just because they won't be around in another three years, making your selections three years ago invalid. Fact is, players retire, and no amount of "forward planning" can change that fact - all it does it limit what you actually get out of them. There's no benefit of infinitely selecting a team for a time other than the present as it never ends and you'll always end up with a side fractionally worse than what it could be.
 
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Daemon

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Well both Sanga and Mahela are now 34, and who knows when they may retire, perhaps the lure of T20 cricket may shorten their careers. There could be a scenario when they lose all their experience at once, and are left with new players having to learn Test cricket without these guy's experience around.

That is similar, and while I didn't necessarily agree with that move, young players have to be introduced into the Test side, whether Katich is the man that should have been left out is open to debate. I do think you cannot just look at the next game, you have to plan for the years down the line, otherwise you end up in a situation that many countries have experienced, and that is a longer period of re-building than may have been necessary.

Not sure that is how selectors will see it. If you're always picking your best side you are not accounting for any rest players may need, or any planning for the years ahead. Yes always pick a side you feel can win the Test/series, but surely you have to keep one eye on the future.
Yes, you should. But not by giving them a free ticket into the team at the expense of a better player. By all means, keep them in the squad, let them play tour games and even get a game when there are injuries, but in a series such as this, where Sri Lanka can't afford to play anything less than their best team, you have to be focussed on the immediate result rather than a series in 4 years time where hopefully the youngster in question will have learnt from his experience in these tests and just might do well.

edit: Damn you PEWS. Said it so much better than I did :(
 
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Woodster

International Captain
Well obviously, or they wouldn't be picking such a **** team. If they actually think that Paranavitana and Thirimanne are better batsmen than Samaraweera then they have far bigger problems than I imagined. Generally if you're criticising something though it's because you don't agree with it..

The main problem with "building to the future" in Test cricket is that the future never actually comes. In ODIs you have the World Cup - a series far more significant than any other in the format - so I can see the merits in building towards that and gearing your squad to peak at that point. The time eventually does come when you pick for the here and now. In Tests though it just never ends. If you pick a side that you think that will stick together for the next three years then in three years time when you're thinking your less-than-ideal selections might come off, you'll be selecting with an eye for the team in another three years and hence you'll have probably dropped players you'd selected three years prior just because they won't be around in another three years, making your selections three years ago invalid. Fact is, players retire, and no amount of "forward planning" can change that fact - all it does it limit what you actually get out of them. There's no benefit of infinitely selecting a team for a time other than the present as it never ends and you'll always end up with a side fractionally worse than what it could be.
Don't necessarily agree with this. It shows the importance of being able to identify talent and persevere with it. Of course if you are chossing players that don't stick around or do not develop three years down the line, not sure it's the process that needs looking at but those responsible for not identifying the right players. Of course not every selection will come off.

I personally don't subscribe to your opinion of always selecting the side for the here and now, and I think maybe countries generally in a better situation than SL, can afford to rest one or two players and give opportunities to younger players to experience top level cricket. I think that's a sensible approach, and very beneficial in the long run. Selection committee's have to look to the future, imagine if Sanga, Mahela, Samaraweera, and Dilshan all retire from Test cricket within 12 months, the period of re-building with a young batting line-up with no or very little little Test cricket will be extensive, and that doesn't have to be the case.

I appreciate your point about building towards a World Cup in one-day cricket and as such, there isn't a similar point to build towards in Test cricket, but common sense plays a part. I think there are many different scenarios where a selection committee may opt to go down a different route and experiment with one or two younger players, even if it weakens the side for a few series',


Yes, you should. But not by giving them a free ticket into the team at the expense of a better player. By all means, keep them in the squad, let them play tour games and even get a game when there are injuries, but in a series such as this, where Sri Lanka can't afford to play anything less than their best team, you have to be focussed on the immediate result rather than a series in 4 years time where hopefully the youngster in question will have learnt from his experience in these tests and just might do well.

edit: Damn you PEWS. Said it so much better than I did :(
Not sure what you mean by a 'free ticket'? Presumably selecting someone that doesn't deserve to be in the side ? Well, again that's down to the selectors, certain players will be selected on potential, some by weight of runs or wickets.

I agree it's important to get young players around the national squad without necessarily giving them a place in the Test side. I'm not sure it's a bad time for SL to tinker about with their batting line-up, especially when they have established players in the team, in theory to shoulder the responsibility of getting the runs while the newcomer settles in.
 

Daemon

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I'll reply when I get time. Main thing is, SL couldn't afford to drop him for this tour, the reasons you mentioned above aren't strong enough to warrant a drop. No time now gtg :p
 

Woodster

International Captain
On another issue, why has Umar Akmal gone playing in the Hong Kong sixes ? Surely he would have been better served continuing his excellent form in domestic cricket and working on his longer format batting ?
 

Daemon

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:) Opinions vary.
Best to leave it at that, I don't feel like arguing this anymore :p

On another issue, why has Umar Akmal gone playing in the Hong Kong sixes ? Surely he would have been better served continuing his excellent form in domestic cricket and working on his longer format batting ?
Good point.

They sent an extra strong team this year didn't they? Probably to make up for the previous year's hilarious defeat in the finals :laugh:
 

Xuhaib

International Coach
On another issue, why has Umar Akmal gone playing in the Hong Kong sixes ? Surely he would have been better served continuing his excellent form in domestic cricket and working on his longer format batting ?
thats PCB logic for you.
 

Xuhaib

International Coach
possibly Pakistan's biggest since 92 World cup kudos to PCB for selecting such a good side for such an important tournament.
 

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