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Kallis Vs Dravid

Who's better?

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Prince EWS

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Daemon said:
Averages a fair bit against Warne though, and Warne's played a lot of games against him. Clearly McGrath's bunny, averages just 9 against him over 12 matches :-O
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We've had this discussion before. That just means that whenever McGrath gets him out it's for a low score, and that he isn't vulnerable to McGrath once set.

If McGrath gets you out for 10 the first time you play him, then you peal off five consecutive unbeaten hundreds against teams that contain McGrath and slam him all round the park then cricinfo will report your average against McGrath as 10. It's a faulty measure.
 
centurymaker

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Prince EWS said:
We've had this discussion before. That just means that whenever McGrath gets him out it's for a low score, and that he isn't vulnerable to McGrath once set.

If McGrath gets you out for 10 the first time you play him, then you peal off five consecutive unbeaten hundreds against teams that contain McGrath and slam him all round the park then cricinfo will report your average against McGrath as 10. It's a faulty measure.
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we've had this discussion at least 15 times in the last 1 year....
arghhh
 
Daemon

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Prince EWS said:
We've had this discussion before. That just means that whenever McGrath gets him out it's for a low score, and that he isn't vulnerable to McGrath once set.

If McGrath gets you out for 10 the first time you play him, then you peal off five consecutive unbeaten hundreds against teams that contain McGrath and slam him all round the park then cricinfo will report your average against McGrath as 10. It's a faulty measure.
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If you'd gone a couple of posts lower you would've realised that I got that. :p

As for the bolded part, I'm 95% sure we've never had such a conversation.
 
G.I.Joe

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Daemon said:
If you'd gone a couple of posts lower you would've realised that I got that. :p

As for the bolded part, I'm 95% sure we've never had such a conversation.
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"We" means CW, I believe. I think it was shankar (?) who first showed up the uselessness of that particular statistic when discussing some other bowler-batsman combination.
 
cnerd123

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I'd take Dravid as the better batsman, but Kallis has to be the greatest modern Cricketer alive. Above Warne, Sachin, etc.

And even as batsmen, it's close.
 
centurymaker

centurymaker

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he certainly has a higher proportion of bowled dismissals than other greats...

i''ll check...

ponting- 32/235 = 13.6%

Lara- 36/226= 15.9%

tendulkar- 46/266= 17.3%

Waugh- 39/214 = 18.2%

dravid- 46/241 = 19.1%

kallis- 44/208 = 21.2%
 
Top_Cat

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Without checking, I'd guess the differences between most names there aren't statistically significant but geez I had no idea Ponting had been bowled so seldom in his Test career. Phenomenal.
 
Cabinet96

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Kallis has plenty of memorable knocks from a purely cricketing perspective. But series involving South Africa often lack a bit of edge in a sense- they have no major rivals, they rarely fill their stadiums for test matches and their fans don't often act obnoxiously enough as to make us passionate about wanting them to lose. There's just no South African equivalent of an India-Pakistan test or a deciding test in an Ashes series. These are the matches that cricket fans remember.

It's a little unfortunate because the quality of cricket involving South Africa and the other top teams has been insane for the past few years. SA-India last year, SA-England the year before, the last two India-SA series, SA-Australia and Australia-SA in '08/'09.. The top five most entertaining series of the past three or four years might well all involve South Africa. The quality of cricket is as memorable as it gets, but they can't quite produce the context and background to match it.
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Partly agree with you. Their series may not be as big as India v Pakistan or the Ashes but are still pretty important to all the teams involved. South Africa v Australia is a great rivalry. Their recent competing with India for number 1 has spiced things up as well, as the England series might next year as well.

robelinda said:
Australia has never had any problems batting in SA. I don't know how many of you have watched SA tests in SA since 92 but its my observation that unless they are up against a strong bowling attack they generally prepare sporting wickets against teams they know have weak bowling attacks. Teams like NZ, India for instance and WI and Sri Lanka for the main part have always been faced with green tops more than other teams, when Australia tours we get flatter wickets and they are good for batting, but our bowling has always won us tests in SA and we have bowled much better than the home SA bowlers almost every series, like they are expecting to run through us easily or something, always been odd they haven't fired at home against us. Can only think of one green top we played on and that was the 2nd test 97, but it was more overcast conditions and a bit of grass that day, flattened out and we chased 270 to win.
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Completely agree. They always try to spice up the pitches for Sub Continental teams. Don't blame them though.
 
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