Kallis Vs Dravid

[centurymaker]

Pefectly good pitches for test cricket. England bowled the same as they did against us on our flat pitches, just too my skill I'm afraid for the Aussie and Indian batting lineups.

I'm just making the point that teams change the sort of pitches they prepare according to the opposition they are facing... There was nothing wrong with the pitches.

Now tell me, do you think english groundsmen will leave much grass for SA next year?

 

[Top_Cat]

it's always raining in england.
Plus it's a reasonable inference to make that they, at least, partly did it to make life difficult for india.

Honestly, I don't see how that's a reasonable inference at all.

As I said, the pitches weren't that grassy, all of the big movement was in the air. once the rain went away, they were flat. There's absolutely nothing to suggest English groundskeepers changed anything about their usual pitches. Whether pitches are altered by the home authorities to suit their teams sometimes is a separate issue to whether England did.

 

[Flem274*]

Hah, plenty of typos and an odd ending, thats what you get for posting when you just get out of bed......

I encourage everyone here to post whilst in bed.*

*unless you have a significant other in bed with you. Posting on the internet in that situation screams you have been married for twenty years.

 

[centurymaker]

Honestly, I don't see how that's a reasonable inference at all.

As I said, the pitches weren't that grassy, all of the big movement was in the air. once the rain went away, they were flat. There's absolutely nothing to suggest English groundskeepers changed anything about their usual pitches. Whether pitches are altered by the home authorities to suit their teams sometimes is a separate issue to whether England did.

Ball did seam around, especially at trent bridge and edgbaston.

broad made the ball nip around throughout the series, and so did anderson to a lesser extent. ..
even ishant was nipping it in to Kp at lords...but the latter took massive strides forward to effectively counter it.

 

[robelinda]

I encourage everyone here to post whilst in bed.*

*unless you have a significant other in bed with you. Posting on the internet in that situation screams you have been married for twenty years.

Not 20 years, but 11 so far! Seems like 20 though.....

 

[Top_Cat]

Regardless, again, that's a separate issue as to whether they did it deliberately.

 

[Flem274*]

Not 20 years, but 11 so far! Seems like 20 though.....

Think of it as feeling like you've lived longer, so if you die at 91 you will at least feel like you scored a century.

 

[Furball]

maybe you didn't watch the Lords, Trent bridge, and Edgbaston test.

yes they weren't green tops, but they had plenty of grass. (You rarely see much grass on pitches these days....)

Just because england ended up batting first in those conditions and doing well, doesn't mean the conditons weren't bowler friendly..

Lord's was a road (except on the first day when India's bowlers got significant movement through the air), Trent Bridge was its usual self (but still good enough for England to make 500+ on, and for the lower order to add 100 runs in the first 15 overs on day 4), and Edgbaston was a flat pudding of a pitch that England racked up 700 on. The pitches weren't wildly bowler friendly - just like England did in Australia, they bowled accurately and tightly and restricted a good batting lineup on good pitches to scores of less than 300.

 

[robelinda]

Think of it as feeling like you've lived longer, so if you die at 91 you will at least feel like you scored a century.

Thats trye, but unfortunately the males in my family all die before 70, so I'm doomed! But they were all heavy smokers and drinkers, i don't do either! BRING ON 2077!

 

[centurymaker]

Honestly, I don't see how that's a reasonable inference at all.

As I said, the pitches weren't that grassy, all of the big movement was in the air. once the rain went away, they were flat. There's absolutely nothing to suggest English groundskeepers changed anything about their usual pitches. Whether pitches are altered by the home authorities to suit their teams sometimes is a separate issue to whether England did.

i remember english guys asking for somewhat spicy wickets in interviews..and thats what they got.

actually even the green tops lose all their effectiveness after 2-3 days...

 

[Furball]

i remember english guys asking for somewhat spicy wickets in interviews..and thats what they got.

actually even the green tops lose all their effectiveness after 2-3 days...

Wickets in England generally favour seam bowlers though; pitches that are a bit green aren't something out of the ordinary.

If England prepared dustbowls for the South Africa series, then there would be valid concerns and criticisms of such a move.

 

[Flem274*]

Thats trye, but unfortunately the males in my family all die before 70, so I'm doomed! But they were all heavy smokers and drinkers, i don't do either! BRING ON 2077!

This sounds very sinister, even with the smokin' and the drinkin'.

 

[centurymaker]

Wickets in England generally favour seam bowlers though; pitches that are a bit green aren't something out of the ordinary.

If England prepared dustbowls for the South Africa series, then there would be valid concerns and criticisms of such a move.

Next year we'll find out. If we see similar sort of pitches against SA then I'll conclude that england don't alter their pitches depending on the opposition like the South Africans do.

 

[robelinda]

Here's the Kallis in England compilation, total pain in the ass to upload, the ECB blocked it yesterday, so i had to re-upload every dismissal separately to find which ones were blocked, turned out only one was blocked- the flintoff yorker (which is already on youtube?!?!). So i don't know why I'm not allowed to upload it, but anyway....


**FAIL** JACQUES KALLIS CAN'T BAT IN ENGLAND... A TAIL OF FAIL OVER A CAREER - YouTube

 

[centurymaker]

LOL I have not seen a batsman get out BOWLED so many times....in just 1 overseas country

wow, very poor judgement...

 

[weldone]

Here's the Kallis in England compilation, total pain in the ass to upload, the ECB blocked it yesterday, so i had to re-upload every dismissal separately to find which ones were blocked, turned out only one was blocked- the flintoff yorker (which is already on youtube?!?!). So i don't know why I'm not allowed to upload it, but anyway....


**FAIL** JACQUES KALLIS CAN'T BAT IN ENGLAND... A TAIL OF FAIL OVER A CAREER - YouTube

Yeah, as I said earlier, the only way Dravid can be argued to have a better career than Kallis is by arguing that batting in England in more important than batting elsewhere.

 

[G.I.Joe]

LOL I have not seen a batsman get out BOWLED so many times....in just 1 overseas country

wow, very poor judgement...

Dunno man, Laxman seems to spend a whole lot of his career getting bowled, and being very very bemused to see his stumps in disarray too I think it makes him even more endearing.

"How stumps not parallel no more?! That unpossible!?"

 

[Daemon]

That warne is a better bowler than Pollock despite Pollock having a better average?

Statistics alone dont constitute greatness. Otherwise computers could pick out bowling and batting greats rather than cricket experts.

Prince EWS is a computer program, and he is pretty good at picking all time greats.

Batsmen always find it easier to bat in familiar conditions. Thats why a lot of English batsmen average higher in England than in the subcontinent despite the relatively easier batting wickets in SC.

You just contradicted yourself.

A player getting used to harsher conditions may do well in them, but a player getting used to easier conditions will do even better.

Here's the Kallis in England compilation, total pain in the ass to upload, the ECB blocked it yesterday, so i had to re-upload every dismissal separately to find which ones were blocked, turned out only one was blocked- the flintoff yorker (which is already on youtube?!?!). So i don't know why I'm not allowed to upload it, but anyway....


**FAIL** JACQUES KALLIS CAN'T BAT IN ENGLAND... A TAIL OF FAIL OVER A CAREER - YouTube

Sidebottom, WAG. Did you purposely put all the bowled dismissals at the start of the video btw?

 

[robelinda]

Yes i did!

 

[Daemon]

Noticed Anderson's got him four times with inswingers, time to look up some stats