Something to make Australians happy-Hilditch and Chappell got the chuck

[Spikey]

if langer was to actually somehow get the job I'd be able to accept it on the basis that there was at least a process, opposed to becoming batting coach and now assistant on the basis he's justin langer

 

[benchmark00]

What's the consensus there then? My impression is Buchanan was, at best, tolerated by certain non-QLD quarters of the Australian dressing room.

The way I saw it was he wasn't disliked by anyone except Captain ****head Shane Warne.

Just my perception.

 

[Spikey]

the respect the players had for assistant coach neilsen was a reason he got the job iirc so it's not a new thing

 

[vic_orthdox]

The way I saw it was he wasn't disliked by anyone except Captain ****head Shane Warne.

Just my perception.

I think there were times when people felt that he wasn't doing all that great a job, and took things too far away from the basics. Lead up to the 2005 Ashes being one such situation.

 

[Spikey]

macgill didn't like him either tbf






so if the spinners hate him he must be good!

 

[vic_orthdox]

the respect the players had for assistant coach neilsen was a reason he got the job iirc so it's not a new thing

Neilsen was fantastic in a leadership role with the Academy. It really seemed like a bit of a pathway for coaching at that stage, work your way up, get a gig at the Academy, then onto a role with the senior team (refer to McInnes, Siddons, Neilsen). I think they've seen that running an intense training program is very, very different to coaching a cricket team in the skills required, something that they may not have identified earlier.

 

[Spikey]

is that what you said while fronting up to argus, border, taylor and waugh bro

 

[howardj]

There's history here isn't there? IIRC Waugh was heavily involved in Buchanan's appointment.

Yes, that's true. However, even Tug tired of Buchanan by the end of his (Tug's) reign.

Buck just got more and more 'out there'.

 

[howardj]

Give it to Rixon, Moody or Arthur.

Even consider Boof. But DON'T, for the love of god, appoint Langer!

Massive call, but I'd prefer Alf to Arthur.

Can't cop Mickey, and our cupboard is not so bare and he is certainly not so outstanding, that we need to appoint a foreigner.

I've said Rixon all along.

He has authority, he's a cricket-focussed, back-to-basics man, has a track record of coaching, and gets on well with Pup.

 

[Spikey]

why the **** does it matter if it's a foreigner. jesus christ nationalism or patriotism or whatever the **** you want to call it drives me up the wall sometimes. now I don't really care for arthur, but if he or any other 'foreigner' is the best candidate then he's the best candidate and so he gets the job. and there's no way 'alf' is a better candidate than Arthur.

 

[howardj]

Not sure how I feel about it. It kinda presupposes the call on the captain was the correct one (tbf, speaking as someone who can't stand Clarke, he has impressed so far) because bringing in "his man" as coach (or at least someone who bears his seal of approval) is going to strengthen his hand.

Cricket's hard to compare with other team sports (well, the ones I know anything about) because the captain is a more important figure and, conversely, the coach less so. In cricket the selection is still usually made by a committee (with possibly input from the coach but rarely the casting vote) but in association football and the rugby codes the picking and the tactics are the head coaches' alone.

Interesting discussion that about the different qualities you need as coach for the respective sports, and how the dynamic may change now that the coach is offically a selector.

 

[howardj]

why the **** does it matter if it's a foreigner. jesus christ nationalism or patriotism or whatever the **** you want to call it drives me up the wall sometimes. now I don't really care for arthur, but if he or any other 'foreigner' is the best candidate then he's the best candidate and so he gets the job. and there's no way 'alf' is a better candidate than Arthur.

I'm saying that unless a foreigner is clearly the outstanding candidate, then go local.

It's sport, not a billion dollar corporation where you do a global headhunt.

 

[Spikey]

No CA just a 100 million corporation. you look for the best person and you spend however long you have to, going to any number of places and enquiring into the services of any number of people who may already be contracted because you want to get the best person.

 

[robelinda]

I'd take Rixon over Moody, Arthur, Lehmann etc. Happy for Moody to be a selector though, that could work out well if Marsh is head of selectors, and maybe even Dean Jones in there, as much as he is a **** i'd back his judgement on young players etc. Jones didn't know a whole lot about easy test cricket, we need guys like that.

 

[howardj]

No CA just a 100 million corporation. you look for the best person and you spend however long you have to, going to any number of places and enquiring into the services of any number of people who may already be contracted because you want to get the best person.

Yeah, Rixo

 

[howardj]

I'd take Rixon over Moody, Arthur, Lehmann etc. Happy for Moody to be a selector though, that could work out well if Marsh is head of selectors, and maybe even Dean Jones in there, as much as he is a **** i'd back his judgement on young players etc. Jones didn't know a whole lot about easy test cricket, we need guys like that.

Coach Rixon

Selectors: Hohns, Border, Fleming.

 

[Spikey]

No CA just a 100 million corporation. you look for the best person and you spend however long you have to, going to any number of places and enquiring into the services of any number of people who may already be contracted because you want to get the best person.

To go further, in cricket you can't send your scouts - unless you're England - to all these different places in the world to get the best talent to send out on the field, so you should be doing your best to get the best talent to have running the off field stuff. Which Australia has failed in. Now if that means there's not one Australian on the coaching staff I couldn't care less. Same with the 3 selectors. It's possible that the best options are Australians. It's possible they're not.

 

[howardj]

Of course merit is the overwhelmingly major factor, I agree.

 

[uvelocity]

stop the boats. no foreign coaches stealing our jobs. plus makes it harder to sledge the poms.

 

[marc71178]

TBH your on-field performances have been doing that.