*Official* England in India

[Jarquis]

Bairstow goes boom

 

[Daemon]

Haha, what a contrast to the other day. Just goes to show how important a bit of conditioning is.

 

[superkingdave]

So what will be the line up for the first game? Surely Bairstow has done enough to get a gig ahead of Bell.

Cook
Kiesswetter
Trott
Pietersen
Bopara
Bairstow
Patel
Bresnan
Swann
Finn
Dernbach

Woakes unlucky, but I don't think we really need his batting in this line up and the selectors have a hard on for Dernbach. He should get a game or two anyway and so will Borthwick.

 

[superkingdave]

Is this a 13 a side game? From the line up on cricinfo we don't appear to have any part timers apart from KP, relying on all three of Patel, Borthwick & Meaker to get through a full 10 otherwise.

 

[Howe_zat]

Borthwick on 5-14 in his 7th over, so no problems from his end. No success for Meaker, though. Doubt either will play in the starting XI but I wouldn't mind Borthwick for Patel.

"Hyderabad Cricket Association XI require another 286 runs with 4 wickets and 26.0 overs remaining", so I'd say England are favourites from here.

Edit: Meaker comes back on and picks up three tailenders in an over. Fair play to him for that.

 

[Jacknife]

Borthwick on 5-14 in his 7th over. No problems from his end. No success for Meaker, though. Doubt either will play in the starting XI but I wouldn't mind Borthwick for Patel.

"Hyderabad Cricket Association XI require another 286 runs with 4 wickets and 26.0 overs remaining", so I'd say England are favourites from here.

Meaker was on a hattrick but missed out, sounds like he knocked the tail over with 3 in a over.

 

[S Chanderpaul]

Borthwick on 5-14 in his 7th over, so no problems from his end. No success for Meaker, though. Doubt either will play in the starting XI but I wouldn't mind Borthwick for Patel.

Based on 5 wickets against a pathetic team?

 

[Furball]

Based on 5 wickets against a pathetic team?

Well Patel isn't a bowler, so yes.

 

[Howe_zat]

Based on 5 wickets against a pathetic team?

No, based on that from what I've seen of him, he appears to be a decent bowler. My point about his five-for today was that "getting through his overs" wasn't a problem as Dave implied.

 

[grecian]

So what will be the line up for the first game? Surely Bairstow has done enough to get a gig ahead of Bell.

Cook
Kiesswetter
Trott
Pietersen
Bopara
Bairstow
Patel
Bresnan
Swann
Finn
Dernbach

Woakes unlucky, but I don't think we really need his batting in this line up and the selectors have a hard on for Dernbach. He should get a game or two anyway and so will Borthwick.

Don't quite see why KP gets in, I'd have Bell for him, and Woakes for Samit. Agree about Dirtbag, we'll have to see lot's more of him I'm afraid until the novelty wears off.

 

[Furball]

Don't quite see why KP gets in, I'd have Bell for him, and Woakes for Samit. Agree about Dirtbag, we'll have to see lot's more of him I'm afraid until the novelty wears off.

no

 

[grecian]

no

yes

 

[Jacknife]

yes

No.

 

[grecian]

Okay, rather than carry on this witty discussion, I will state that Bell did play some innings that weren't total **** in the recent series, which puts him ahead of KP IMHO, who has done nowt in the warm-ups to warrant his recall, other then just being KP.

I'd play Buttler or Hales over either of them probably, but the selectors are unlikely to do that.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Still concerned about a top 5 containing Cook, Trott and Bell. Old Ding Dong may be a class act but he can easily be seen as a test specialist for a while now and give the likes of Bairstow and Hales a chance.

 

[Furball]

Okay, rather than carry on this witty discussion, I will state that Bell did play some innings that weren't total **** in the recent series, which puts him ahead of KP IMHO, who has done nowt in the warm-ups to warrant his recall, other then just being KP.

I'd play Buttler or Hales over either of them probably, but the selectors are unlikely to do that.

I agree that KP has been ****house in the last 2 years and isn't being picked on merit; where we're disagreeing is that Ian Bell has done absolutely nothing since his recall to the side last season to merit his continued inclusion either.

The one thing KP has in his favour is that he hasn't wasted loads of deliveries getting to 20 then getting out.

 

[Jacknife]

They've taken him over there so they will pick him and see what he does this series, apart from anything because he has loads of experience of playing in India and averages over 50 out there.
It was a mistake not playing him in England when he looked in great form, rather than leaving him on the sidelines for 3 months.
As far as Bell innings that weren't less ****,neither did well and Bell got more chances in which his best was that labored 54 from 74 balls.
I personally think KP will have a good series and smash them like he did in the Test matches.

 

[superkingdave]

Yeah agree with Furball, probably about an even chance that KP and Bell will fail, but its extremely unlikely you will get a 30(60) or 25(48) from KP, which you are pretty likely to get from Bell, and they are going to be (imo) a fair bit more damaging than a 16(12) or the like you will get from Pietersen.

 

[Howe_zat]

Add that to the fact that there's no legitimate reason to de dropping KP from only ODIs anyway. If you do that you're saying he's either technically unsuited to the format, not good enough to be playing international cricket, or in dire form and needing some nets. None of which are true.

With Bell there's a genuine if debatable argument that he's just unsuited to ODIs, so it's much more reasonable to leave him out.

 

[grecian]

Add that to the fact that there's no legitimate reason to de dropping KP from only ODIs anyway. If you do that you're saying he's either technically unsuited to the format, not good enough to be playing international cricket, or in dire form and needing some nets. None of which are true.

With Bell there's a genuine if debatable argument that he's just unsuited to ODIs, so it's much more reasonable to leave him out.

Sorry, but I never will understand that argument, I guess I'm a bit dense, the guy doesn't seem very good at it. at the moment, in fact two years or so, so I'd drop him.

Anyway, as I've said countless times before I'd drop 'em both, but Bell did okay in against India I thought, and his twenties were actually not time-wasters. England selectors aren't known for radicalism, so I'm hoping for one dropping at a time.