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Howe_zat

Howe_zat

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I looked that up, it was the second-worst return ever in a T20. Not much you can draw from figures on a day like that though.

Has Aravind gone on any India A tours?
 
Howe_zat

Howe_zat

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Disagree with you there GF. We should get the bare minimum of the review system there as a base, then later we can talk about which bits of tech we can agree on. A lot of shockers can be overturned just with the replay.
 
Furball

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Howe_zat said:
Disagree with you there GF. We should get the bare minimum of the review system there as a base, then later we can talk about which bits of tech we can agree on. A lot of shockers can be overturned just with the replay.
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Nah, you can't make the use of HotSpot a deal breaker when it comes to DRS and make it mandatory then 3 months later decide that you don't like it and refuse to use it.
 
Jacknife

Jacknife

International Captain
It's BBG the company that owns Hot spot that's said it doesn't feel it has the full support of the BCCI so it won't be making it available.
 
Arjun

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
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4-0-69-0 from Aarvind.

That's reassuring.
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He's still the best T20 bowler in India. An average of 20, with that return, and close to forty wickets in little time, striking under 16, is really good. With Irfan injured, RP out of form and barely fit, Nehra out of action, Zaheer injured, Munaf not fit, he should be an automatic selection for all T20Is. Compare Aravind's T20 figures with those of pace hopefuls Umesh Yadav and Varun Aaron, or even Praveen Kumar, and it should convince anyone.
Howe_zat said:
I looked that up, it was the second-worst return ever in a T20. Not much you can draw from figures on a day like that though.

Has Aravind gone on any India A tours?
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You can't draw anything from that. It's a very difficult match for the bowlers, and on the flat KSCA deck, we've even seen Dirk Nannes, a top-notch T20 bowler, get clouted.

He hasn't been in contention even for reserves cricket, but once he clocks 50 in FC and OD, he should be. An A-team tour is due in some time.

The best T20 bowlers in India are odd blokes out of contention. Aravind may soon break in, while outside, you have TP Sudhindra and Anand Rajan, as also Samad Fallah, all from weaker state sides.
 
nsniks

nsniks

State Vice-Captain
No DRS for India-England ODIs | Cricket News | India v England | ESPN Cricinfo

The BCCI and ICC have confirmed the DRS will not be in use for the upcoming one-day international series and one-off Twenty20 international between India and England. Warren Brennan, the chief executive of BBG Sports, the company behind Hot Spot, had told ESPNcricinfo on October 5 that they would not be making the technology available for the series. Since Hot Spot was made one of the minimum requirements for the DRS during the ICC's annual conference in June, the ICC has said there will be no reviews for the India-England series.

Brennan admitted BBG Sports was disappointed with Hot Spot's performance during India's tour of England and said he believed "it did not have BCCI's support" for the technology following that series. "Following the comments by Mr Srinivasan on September 20 in relation to Hot Spot and the DRS process, BBG Sports believed it did not have the support of the BCCI and promptly decided not to bring the Hot Spot to India for their upcoming home series," he said in an email to ESPNcricinfo. Srinivasan, the new BCCI president, had criticised Hot Spot after the board's annual general meeting in Mumbai.

Since the DRS will not be in use, the ICC do not require an umpire from their elite panel to be third umpire. Hence they have said Simon Taufel will not be required to officiate in the matches and Billy Bowden will be the only umpire from the elite panel to stand in the series.
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Jacknife

Jacknife

International Captain
Your opinion but I look forward to getting all the technology back when England next play tests it's what I've got used to and enjoy it.
Facts are everyone knew that Hotspot wasn't 100% accurate and no one ever said it was, especially not the owners of it, so I've never understood the song and dance that has gone on, when it's not shown a light edge.
It is what it is and has got the majority of calls right since it came in to use, it's just recently if the technology isn't 100% correct all the time, all hell breaks loose.
 
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tooextracool

International Coach
There is no clear evidence that hot spot is anymore accurate than a regular television replay. The same can be said about snicko. The reality is that we've seen multiple occasions when they have both proven to be inaccurate and clouded decisions. AFAIC, theres never been any reason to go beyond the the television replay, everything else is just complete guesswork. At best, there is a case for Hawkeye but that is pretty much it.
 
Furball

Furball

Evil Scotsman
tooextracool said:
There is no clear evidence that hot spot is anymore accurate than a regular television replay. The same can be said about snicko. The reality is that we've seen multiple occasions when they have both proven to be inaccurate and clouded decisions. AFAIC, theres never been any reason to go beyond the the television replay, everything else is just complete guesswork. At best, there is a case for Hawkeye but that is pretty much it.
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Rubbish. HotSpot and all the other associated technologies are there to aid the umpires. Most of the time, HotSpot gives very definitive answers.
 
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tooextracool

International Coach
GingerFurball said:
Rubbish. HotSpot and all the other associated technologies are there to aid the umpires. Most of the time, HotSpot gives very definitive answers.
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Does it? As far as I can remember in the England-India series it seemed like HotSpot was particularly vulnerable when it came to faint edges. Seems to me that thats the only reason it is there in the first place. Thick edges are almost always identified with the benefit of a replay and stump microphone. I simply dont think its the end of the world if HotSpot or Snicko werent used because I dont think either of them to be particularly valuable.
 
Furball

Furball

Evil Scotsman
tooextracool said:
Does it? As far as I can remember in the England-India series it seemed like HotSpot was particularly vulnerable when it came to faint edges. Seems to me that thats the only reason it is there in the first place. Thick edges are almost always identified with the benefit of a replay and stump microphone. I simply dont think its the end of the world if HotSpot or Snicko werent used because I dont think either of them to be particularly valuable.
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Snicko isn't part of DRS.

When it works, HotSpot shows the presence of edges a lot clearer than slow-motion replays. Often all you need is one replay, the heat signature shows up, batsman is given out.

I'll say it again; the technology in the DRS system is there to aid the umpires, it is not there to make the decisions for them or replace them. In most cases, all of the technology works fine; that it might not have shown up a faint edge when Dravid nicked one isn't reason not to use it.
 
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