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Butt/Amir/Asif - Spot Fixing Trial

fredfertang

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
He's an evil man that Shane Warne - I dread to think what sort of depths he has stooped to in order to inveigle his way into Elizabeth Hurley's life
 

Agent Nationaux

International Coach
Warne could have been gambling for years before he started professionally in 2008. People who have never gambled before don't just suddenly decide that they want to become professional gamblers. There is always a back story related to these type of events.
 
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andyc

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yeah, but... what's the issue with someone deciding to become a professional poker player? It's a legimate, skill-based job where considerable money can be made.

Even for something that is pure gambling, why does it matter? Are you implying that Ricky Ponting is of questionable character because he too likes to bet? I like to play poker and have spent a bit of money at casinos in the past, but I don't see how in the hell that implies I have a sordid past....
 

r3alist

U19 Cricketer
Not that I agree with it but going by the logic of some if amirs tshirt is a bad sign then a strong interest in betting is also a bad sign, not my logic:)
 

andyc

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Not that I agree with it but going by the logic of some if amirs tshirt is a bad sign then a strong interest in betting is also a bad sign, not my logic:)
Not really... Him wearing that shirt to court shows a lack of respect for the proceedings which, given that his actions placed a large question mark over the legitimacy of the game, is pretty bad. Warne liking gambling shows that... he likes gambling.

Also yet to understand what's wrong with someone liking gambling. It's fun, FFS. Warne's clearly got the money to do it, I don't see how it reflects anything at all of his character other than the fact that he likes to play poker.
 

r3alist

U19 Cricketer
Not really... Him wearing that shirt to court shows a lack of respect for the proceedings which, given that his actions placed a large question mark over the legitimacy of the game, is pretty bad. Warne liking gambling shows that... he likes gambling.

Also yet to understand what's wrong with someone liking gambling. It's fun, FFS. Warne's clearly got the money to do it, I don't see how it reflects anything at all of his character other than the fact that he likes to play poker.
"pretty bad" - really? I think it's trivial, the type of thing that's only relevant if you want to do a character assassination.


I agree an interest in gambling is not meaningful alone, but as a sportsman you have to be careful with the associations you make, and the conclusions drawn can seem obvious.

It's like having a friendship with a drug dealer, doesn't make you guilty but the association can be damaging.
 

Agent Nationaux

International Coach
Not really. Just a bit suspicious that he provided info to a bookie. What would have happened if the bookie wanted something more the next time. Warne is lucky that it all went public and nothing more happened.

What if the 3 fixers had started off with providing info first and had been caught then and there. Some people here would have been arguing that they could have done more than that.
 

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah, but... what's the issue with someone deciding to become a professional poker player? It's a legimate, skill-based job where considerable money can be made.

Even for something that is pure gambling, why does it matter? Are you implying that Ricky Ponting is of questionable character because he too likes to bet? I like to play poker and have spent a bit of money at casinos in the past, but I don't see how in the hell that implies I have a sordid past....
is that true? is that why he's called punter?
 

Agent Nationaux

International Coach
Yeah, but... what's the issue with someone deciding to become a professional poker player? It's a legimate, skill-based job where considerable money can be made.

Even for something that is pure gambling, why does it matter? Are you implying that Ricky Ponting is of questionable character because he too likes to bet? I like to play poker and have spent a bit of money at casinos in the past, but I don't see how in the hell that implies I have a sordid past....
I don't believe that Ponting is of questionable character and I don't have an issue with someone someone being a professional gambler. I am merely suspicious that someone who is a professional gambler once was involved wrongly with a bookie. That puts a stain on Warne's character for me and makes me wonder if he could have done more than just pass information.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Not really. Just a bit suspicious that he provided info to a bookie. What would have happened if the bookie wanted something more the next time. Warne is lucky that it all went public and nothing more happened.

What if the 3 fixers had started off with providing info first and had been caught then and there. Some people here would have been arguing that they could have done more than that.
Not really, it went public 4 years after the event.
 

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