Dhoni V Prior (Tests)

[ankitj]

Wanted to get back to the Hotel IMO.

And wanted to get on the bus to Nottingham quickly.

 

[wpdavid]

Dhoni was out to a pretty lame shot today considering the situation. Decent ball but he didn't need to play. Fair play to him walking though, many players would have stood their ground in the hope the umpire and technology helped them survive.

I thought it was the most culpable of all of the Indian dismissals. Dravid's wasn't great, but theoretically the win was still a remote possibility at that stage. Laxman's shot selection was reasonable but he didn't quite get it right. Harby's was horrible, but he's a bowler who sometimes makes runs. Dhoni otoh has some pretensions as a batsman, but he simply wafted pointlessly at a ball he should have left and opened up the tail to the new ball. Another half a dozen overs of his stand with Raina would have made life way tougher for England.

 

[smash84]

On that miraculous day when Dhoni was given the captaincy and the cricketing world changed forever we can truly begin to look at the stats of the wicketkeepers from each team around the world.
Since Apr 11 2008

Haddin 1905 @ 39.68
Prior 1890 @ 47.25
Dhoni 1664 @ 43.78
Baz 1297 @ 40.53
Boucher 1112 @ 32.70
Rahim 966 @ 35.77
Prasanna 879 @ 36.62
Akmal 704 @ 28.16
Ramdin 617 @ 22.85

Damn that Khatmal........he has proved so costly to Pakistan.....not only does he drop umpteen catches but is a useless **** with the bat

 

[Furball]

I thought it was the most culpable of all of the Indian dismissals. Dravid's wasn't great, but theoretically the win was still a remote possibility at that stage. Laxman's shot selection was reasonable but he didn't quite get it right. Harby's was horrible, but he's a bowler who sometimes makes runs. Dhoni otoh has some pretensions as a batsman, but he simply wafted pointlessly at a ball he should have left and opened up the tail to the new ball. Another half a dozen overs of his stand with Raina would have made life way tougher for England.

India had 1 session to bat out and England needed 5 wickets - quite why Dhoni felt the need to try and smash the bowling everywhere is beyond me. His innings was utterly abysmal in the circumstances.

 

[Uppercut]

It's this "need to stay positive" mantra that everyone repeats when a side is trying to bat for a draw. It should only be used to refer to footwork, there's no excuse at all for playing the cover drive or cut shot when the team is batting time. Just make the bowler come to you.

Dhoni played some unbelievably stupid shots yesterday. He tried to drive Jimmy Anderson through the covers when he was bowling with the new ball ffs.

 

[Furball]

It's this "need to stay positive" mantra that everyone repeats when a side is trying to bat for a draw. It should only be used to refer to footwork, there's no excuse at all for playing the cover drive or cut shot when the team is batting time. Just make the bowler come to you.

Dhoni played some unbelievably stupid shots yesterday. He tried to drive Jimmy Anderson through the covers when he was bowling with the new ball ffs.

Yeah, pretty much what I was trying to say. Was utterly braindead.

 

[Spark]

It's this "need to stay positive" mantra that everyone repeats when a side is trying to bat for a draw. It should only be used to refer to footwork, there's no excuse at all for playing the cover drive or cut shot when the team is batting time. Just make the bowler come to you.

Dhoni played some unbelievably stupid shots yesterday. He tried to drive Jimmy Anderson through the covers when he was bowling with the new ball ffs.

But was it any worse than Tendulkar's innings where he just completely shut up shop?

EDIT: Okay, on reflection, it was. But you can't go too far the other way.

 

[smash84]

yeah this Lord's test was certainly not the best of Dhoni...........if this is the best performance that India can put up then I can't see them winning a single match

 

[Cevno]

Dhoni tried to go defensive the last time India toured England and was somewhat succesful. Though he failed with the same in Australia.

Now he has again reverted to his aggresive self(as he started out) and though he may have got out in this match trying to counter the strategy can't be faulted,I think.
He countered twice in SA with the same against Steyn and company and was somewhat succesful too like in the first test where he had a big partnership with Sachin.

He doesn't have a great defense so might as well look to unsettle the bowlers,That's the way him and Sehwag play best and don't think his shot yesterday to which he got out was a attacking one too, but was more of a nothing jab at the ball.

 

[Uppercut]

But was it any worse than Tendulkar's innings where he just completely shut up shop?

EDIT: Okay, on reflection, it was. But you can't go too far the other way.

I don't think Sachin got out because he was playing too defensively. I'm not even sure his shutting up shop was a tactic.

It's much simpler than that. Sachin wasn't playing well, and when you're not playing well two things happen- you don't score many runs, and you get out.

 

[Furball]

Dhoni tried to go defensive the last time India toured England and was somewhat succesful. Though he failed with the same in Australia.

Now he has again reverted to his aggresive self(as he started out) and though he may have got out in this match trying to counter the strategy can't be faulted,I think.
He countered twice in SA with the same against Steyn and company and was somewhat succesful too like in the first test where he had a big partnership with Sachin.

He doesn't have a great defense so might as well look to unsettle the bowlers,That's the way him and Sehwag play best and don't think his shot yesterday to which he got out was a attacking one too, but was more of a nothing jab at the ball.

You have an opposition which needs to blast out 5 wickets with the new ball - I'm sorry, Dhoni deserves nothing but criticism for his moronic batting.

 

[Uppercut]

Dhoni tried to go defensive the last time India toured England and was somewhat succesful. Though he failed with the same in Australia.

Now he has again reverted to his aggresive self(as he started out) and though he may have got out in this match trying to counter the strategy can't be faulted,I think.
He countered twice in SA with the same against Steyn and company and was somewhat succesful too like in the first test where he had a big partnership with Sachin.

He doesn't have a great defense so might as well look to unsettle the bowlers,That's the way him and Sehwag play best and don't think his shot yesterday to which he got out was a attacking one too, but was more of a nothing jab at the ball.

Yet for some reason none of this applied in the first innings, when trying to score quick runs off trashy part-timers while waiting for the new ball would have been a perfectly good tactic. But instead he just scratched around for fifteen overs and nicked out to the new ball.

Playing aggressive shots certainly won't unsettle the England attack when runs are an irrelevance. It'll just remind them that they're bowling to an idiot and therefore have a pretty good chance of success.

 

[Cevno]

Playing aggressive shots certainly won't unsettle the England attack when runs are an irrelevance. It'll just remind them that they're bowling to an idiot and therefore have a pretty good chance of success.

Yet it did to the SA attack in the second innings of the first test match of the SA tour,where his counterattacking at the start made it easier for both him and Sachin in a even worse position than this one.

 

[Furball]

Yet for some reason none of this applied in the first innings, when trying to score quick runs off trashy part-timers while waiting for the new ball would have been a perfectly good tactic. But instead he just scratched around for fifteen overs and nicked out to the new ball.

Playing aggressive shots certainly won't unsettle the England attack when runs are an irrelevance. It'll just remind them that they're bowling to an idiot and therefore have a pretty good chance of success.

Lolling hard at your second paragraph for some reason.

 

[Furball]

Yet it did to the SA attack in the second innings of the first test match of the SA tour,where his counterattacking at the start made it easier for both him and Sachin in a even worse position than this one.

India still wound up losing that Test by an innings.

South Africa also have a vastly inferior attack to England's.

 

[Cevno]

I don't think Sachin got out because he was playing too defensively. I'm not even sure his shutting up shop was a tactic.

It's much simpler than that. Sachin wasn't playing well, and when you're not playing well two things happen- you don't score many runs, and you get out.

Dhoni later clarified that he was playing with fever which might explain him not wanting to exert too much and going into a complete shell.

It certainly seemed a tactic. The balls he hit for four in the first innings(before he wavered in the 30's) he was leaving and defending in the second.

 

[Uppercut]

Yet it did to the SA attack in the second innings of the first test match of the SA tour,where his counterattacking at the start made it easier for both him and Sachin in a even worse position than this one.

Runs weren't an irrelevance in that situation because India could still have made South Africa bat again. It's an entirely different situation altogether.

But instead India lost by an innings. So it's a strange match to bring up in Dhoni's defence.

 

[smash84]

Playing aggressive shots certainly won't unsettle the England attack when runs are an irrelevance. It'll just remind them that they're bowling to an idiot and therefore have a pretty good chance of success.

 

[GIMH]

How could Dhoni's batting have been aggressive if India lost?

 

[Cevno]

India still wound up losing that Test by an innings.

South Africa also have a vastly inferior attack to England's.

vastly inferior? Lolwut?