**Official** Sri Lanka in England / Scotland - 2011

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How the **** could anyone have overturned the Sangakarra decision?

Zero deviation

No sound unless you're a bat with bionic ears

Hot spot, and this is being incredibly generous, inconclusive

Anyway, just more evidence that 120 years of batsmen being given the benefit of the doubt has been replaced by decision making based on the laws of probability by guys who get to watch a replay ad nauseam

Absolutely ridiculous

 

[Jono]

Three tbf.

That's the second I was talking about. Who is the third?

 

[vcs]

How the **** could anyone have overturned the Sangakarra decision?

Zero deviation

No sound unless you're a bat with bionic ears

Hot spot, and this is being incredibly generous, inconclusive

Anyway, just more evidence that 120 years of batsmen being given the benefit of the doubt has been replaced by decision making based on the laws of probability by guys who get to watch a replay ad nauseam

Absolutely ridiculous

Snicko confirmed it TBH. But yeah, UDRS has greatly reduced the margin of the "benefit of doubt goes to the batsman" from what it used to be, in cases like this and the umpires' increased willingness to give front-foot LBWs.

 

[Spark]

It's not like every other development in the game in the last 20 years has favored the batsman though... wait. That was out. Clear noise. More evidence on hotspot than most thin edges (which are often given). Bat miles from pad or ground. Noise at right time.

 

[vcs]

It's not like every other development in the game in the last 20 years has favored the batsman though... wait. That was out. Clear noise. More evidence on hotspot than most thin edges (which are often given). Bat miles from pad or ground. Noise at right time.

The 15 degree rule is also in favour of the bowlers though. In one-day cricket, I would say yes, every change has benefited batsmen, but it's not that bad in Test cricket as it's made out to be.

 

[Spark]

"Development" in a more general sense tbh. I don't really see the 15-degree rule as favouring bowlers that much, rather than a readjustment to a rule to actually reflect the reality that no one was within the old 10-degree rule.

 

[vcs]

But you wouldn't have seen bowlers like Botha and Ajmal, maybe even Harbhajan, 20 years back. Anyway, it's a touchy issue I guess.

Apart from some of the wickets getting flatter over the last decade (though even that is overstated to an extent), I don't see a problem in the balance between bat and ball in Test cricket.

 

[Spark]

I'm not saying there's a problem with the balance bat and ball, just more pointing out that if bowlers can put up and still do well amidst the general flattening out of Test wickets - although that's started to change - batsmen should be able to put up with being given out when they've hit the ball. Or when they've been hit on the pads in line with the stumps and the ball is patently going to hit the stumps. Although I'm not saying Sanga knew he nicked it, or that he carried on unreasonably in any shape or form.

 

[vcs]

Yeah, that's fair enough. Read somewhere that Sanga accepted the decision after he saw the replay.

 

[TumTum]

Match is going as exactly as I hoped except the rain.

 

[Himannv]

- Pretty happy with Paranawithana's batting. Looked fairly in command of what he was doing and had bucket loads of patience.

- Mahela will hopefully stick to his plan of "being in the right mindset" and work up a good score.

- Not sure Sanga should have been given based on the evidence although I think he was out there. Usually walks if he's out so I think it was an exceptionally faint edge or something. May well have just been grinding his teeth at the wrong moment though, stupid bastard.

- Dar has to be one of the best umpires around these days. Blokes like the bent fingered bungler have nothing on him.

 

[Isura]

When does play start today?

 

[Spark]

- Pretty happy with Paranawithana's batting. Looked fairly in command of what he was doing and had bucket loads of patience.

- Mahela will hopefully stick to his plan of "being in the right mindset" and work up a good score.

- Not sure Sanga should have been given based on the evidence although I think he was out there. Usually walks if he's out so I think it was an exceptionally faint edge or something. May well have just been grinding his teeth at the wrong moment though, stupid bastard.

- Dar has to be one of the best umpires around these days. Blokes like the bent fingered bungler have nothing on him.

Might not have felt it tbh. Can certainly understand him not walking, but doesn't really factor into whether I think he's out or not.

 

[vcs]

I find it very hard to believe that a batsman wouldn't know he'd nicked it, no matter how faint the edge was, from my limited experience of playing cricket. The sound was fairly detectable to me on the slow-mo replay with the stump camera mike, even on my dodgy stream. I have no problems with not walking for faint edges, or not walking in general, however.

 

[Himannv]

When does play start today?

40 minutes after the rain stops.

 

[TumTum]

He might have thought the sound came from somewhere else. For faint edges sometimes you cannot feel it.

 

[Spark]

I find it very hard to believe that a batsman wouldn't know he'd nicked it, no matter how faint the edge was, from my limited experience of playing cricket. The sound was fairly detectable to me on the slow-mo replay with the stump camera mike, even on my dodgy stream. I have no problems with not walking for faint edges, or not walking in general, however.

At least once (probably just once) I've had an edge where there was a slight nick but you just don't feel it through the bat which in my experience is the main way you tell if you've hit it or not. You sort of know from the sound that you probably hit it but you instinctively feel, because you didn't feel it, that you didn't.

It's also worth noting that it was very, very windy out there. A very faint edge could easily be rationalized away as something else without any conscious thought. Remember that when we're talking about thin edges on a noisy, windy day, we get to hear it from the stump mic with all the other rubbish removed several times. Sanga would have heard it (at most) once, very quietly and quickly amongst all the other stuff.

 

[TumTum]

At least once (probably just once) I've had an edge where there was a slight nick but you just don't feel it through the bat which in my experience is the main way you tell if you've hit it or not. You sort of know from the sound that you probably hit it but you instinctively feel, because you didn't feel it, that you didn't.

It's also worth noting that it was very, very windy out there. A very faint edge could easily be rationalized away as something else without any conscious thought. Remember that when we're talking about thin edges on a noisy, windy day, we get to hear it from the stump mic with all the other rubbish removed several times. Sanga would have heard it (at most) once, very quietly and quickly amongst all the other stuff.

Lol you basically said the same thing, but longer.

 

[vcs]

Yeah, good point that the mike amplifies just the sound of the edge and filters out most of the rest. Forgot about that.

 

[Spark]

Lol you basically said the same thing, but longer.

Shut up