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[GotSpin]

It's unlikely it will - if Edwards isn't making the side I dont see why Taylor should... Gayle still finds himself in the middle of an argument between the WICB and the WIPA, Bravo isn't good enough to make the test side, that's it really... What will perhaps be more interesting is how Sarwan Samuels and Brathwaite fair against Pakistan in staking their respective claims for the side with Chanders most likely to come in for who ever does worse out of Sarwan and Samuels... If they all at one stage perform (unlikely) then there'll be a different mould of headaches for the selectors than what they're used to...

You forgot about Barath though.

 

[smash84]

A meaningless ODI series > IPL.

dwta

Meaningless int'l matches degrade the attractiveness of cricket as a game. With IPL it is domestic and people outside of India do not really care too much.

Besides even though IPL is T20 and I hate T20 but still it really is the first domestic cricket tournament that has generated so much interest and changed the way the game is perceived at a domestic level in many countries.

Meaningless ODI series seem to be a lose-lose situation for all.

 

[GotSpin]

dwta

Meaningless int'l matches degrade the attractiveness of cricket as a game. With IPL it is domestic and people outside of India do not really care too much.

Besides even though IPL is T20 and I hate T20 but still it really is the first domestic cricket tournament that has generated so much interest and changed the way the game is perceived at a domestic level in many countries.

Meaningless ODI series seem to be a lose-lose situation for all.

Yeah I love how the IPL takes other national players away and gets them to play in their own domestic tournament for Indian fans leaving other nations sitting on their thumbs not getting to watch their players represent their country.

- And before the PC brigade arrive accusing me of bias against India I have similar criticisms to all these other **** house competitions.

 

[smash84]

Yeah I love how the IPL takes other national players away and gets them to play in their own domestic tournament for Indian fans leaving other nations sitting on their thumbs not getting to watch their players represent their country.

- And before the PC brigade arrive accusing me of bias against India I have similar criticisms to all these other **** house competitions.

Quite a silly statement really.

There have been players who have refused the IPL and concentrated on playing for the country.

I think IPL is good for the game in the long run just like the Packer WSC was good for the future of the game. I am sure you would have been one of those dim wits who would have been opposing the Packer WSC with all your puny strength had you been around at that time

 

[GotSpin]

Quite a silly statement really.

There have been players who have refused the IPL and concentrated on playing for the country.

I think IPL is good for the game in the long run just like the Packer WSC was good for the future of the game. I am sure you would have been one of those dim wits who would have been opposing the Packer WSC with all your puny strength had you been around at that time

The IPL is terrible for the game unless its funding dads army (retired players), fringe players, or domestic Indian players. Compare this to all its negative attributes and there's a clear case for why this isn't a silly statement.

 

[smash84]

The IPL is terrible for the game unless its funding dads army (retired players), fringe players, or domestic Indian players. Compare this to all its negative attributes and there's a clear case for why this isn't a silly statement.

I don't see how it is much different from Packer's WSC which was great for the game???

If anything it throws up new avenues for cricket to develop like football.

Start seeing the positives it has which far outweigh the negatives that the IPL brings.

I hate the IPL because I am somewhat a cricket purist (which a lot of people on CW are) however I do know that for every one person like me there are 10 people who love watching T20 cricket. Learn to be a little more objective dude. Your biases cloud your judgment a little too often I suppose.

 

[GotSpin]

I don't see how it is much different from Packer's WSC which was great for the game???

If anything it throws up new avenues for cricket to develop like football.

Start seeing the positives it has which far outweigh the negatives that the IPL brings.

I hate the IPL because I am somewhat a cricket purist (which a lot of people on CW are) however I do know that for every one person like me there are 10 people who love watching T20 cricket. Learn to be a little more objective dude. Your biases cloud your judgment a little too often I suppose.

Oh I get it. If I criticise the IPL I'm biased with clouded judgement, rendering all my otherwise legitimate criticisms invalid.

Besides, I've already acknowledged some of the 'good' points about the IPL before

And don't throw up any horse **** about new avenues for cricket to develop. The presence of the IPL in other countries is minuscule, a mere dot in another wise saturated sport environments. Though I do acknowledge that the growth of cricket in Asia or the subcontinent could be related to its popularity in India, it's really got nothing to do with the IPL

 

[smash84]

Oh I get it. If I criticise the IPL I'm biased with clouded judgement, rendering all my otherwise legitimate criticisms invalid.

Besides, I've already acknowledged some of the 'good' points about the IPL before

And don't throw up any horse **** about new avenues for cricket to develop. The presence of the IPL in other countries is minuscule, a mere dot in another wise saturated sport environments. Though I do acknowledge that the growth of cricket in Asia or the subcontinent could be related to its popularity in India, it's really got nothing to do with the IPL

look dude I became a regular poster here in Oct 2010 and since then I have seen mostly negative crap spewing forth from your mouth regarding IPL. The positives are rarely mentioned and only "some" of the good points mentioned. Regarding the negatives you seem to be trying to come up with an exhaustive list. It comes across as that way so please do forgive me if you come across as biased. I might well be wrong.

The presence of IPL in other countries is minuscule. Maybe. I can only speak for Pakistan and despite the fact that Pakistan players have not been allowed to participate in the IPL there has been some interest in the IPL because it brings together so many international players in a brand of hit and miss cricket. Adam Gilchrist and Shaun Marsh's innings was really appreciated by the people here who watched it and their number is not as insignificant as you think it might be.

Also I myself will probably try and catch a glimpse of Warne vs Tendulkar battle.

The growth of T20 cricket can be attributed somewhat to the IPL as well. Would you say that the IPL has had no influence whatsoever in the growth of T20 cricket???

 

[Spark]

Quite a silly statement really.

There have been players who have refused the IPL and concentrated on playing for the country.

I think IPL is good for the game in the long run just like the Packer WSC was good for the future of the game. I am sure you would have been one of those dim wits who would have been opposing the Packer WSC with all your puny strength had you been around at that time

Some, how many? Five? Six? Ponting, Clarke, Johnson, Bopara, Swann maybe? I can't actually think of very many.

 

[vcs]

I am personally following a Test series not involving my team with more interest than the IPL. The IPL will be an annoying irritation on the side, but it's hardly a threat to take over cricket as many people seem to fear. It's T20 after all, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it will remain a pig. Let's not underestimate the taste and intelligence of the cricket fanbase.

 

[GotSpin]

I am personally following a Test series not involving my team with more interest than the IPL. The IPL will be an annoying irritation on the side, but it's hardly a threat to take over cricket as many people seem to fear. It's T20 after all, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it will remain a pig. Let's not underestimate the taste and intelligence of the cricket fanbase.

It's not just what IPL is, it's what IPL represents.

Besides, I don't much of the intelligence of those in administration

 

[smash84]

Some, how many? Five? Six? Ponting, Clarke, Johnson, Bopara, Swann maybe? I can't actually think of very many.

yes there have not been many just as there were not too many of the top players who refused WSC. My point was that the IPL is not putting a gun to anybody's head just as Packer wasn't. The players do have a choice to refuse just like with Packer. The IPL just makes such a good offer that the players find it difficult to refuse.

 

[vcs]

It's not just what IPL is, it's what IPL represents.

Besides, I don't much of the intelligence of those in administration

Fortunately, the ratings seem to be dropping AWS, and the administrators will have no choice but to realize that there's a limit to the amount of T20 that people can stand.

 

[smash84]

the IPL will peter out with time I think but it has added a new dimension to cricket. Maybe we should actually be crediting the ICL with this rather than the IPL.

lol.........still remember the Lahore badshahs in ICL

 

[Bun]

The IPL is terrible for the game unless its funding dads army (retired players), fringe players, or domestic Indian players. Compare this to all its negative attributes and there's a clear case for why this isn't a silly statement.

hahahahahhahahahahahaha,

without ipl india woulnt be even playing half of tests what its plauying now....

look at no. of tests india played a decade back. and look at how many it has played in last three.

if tests and game is suffering, ipl is not the cause, because had it been it would be india bearing the direct and first effect of it, but that hardly is the case.

ipl is alleast imho preventing the likes of ross taylor, jesse ryder etc from frittering away from nz tests like o brien or marshall did. ipl is a compromise for these boards who otherwise cannot really keep up with the sportsmen salary these days.

 

[GotSpin]

hahahahahhahahahahahaha,

without ipl india woulnt be even playing half of tests what its plauying now....

look at no. of tests india played a decade back. and look at how many it has played in last three.

if tests and game is suffering, ipl is not the cause, because had it been it would be india bearing the direct and first effect of it, but that hardly is the case.

ipl is alleast imho preventing the likes of ross taylor, jesse ryder etc from frittering away from nz tests like o brien or marshall did. ipl is a compromise for these boards who otherwise cannot really keep up with the sportsmen salary these days.

India are playing more tests these days because they have the no1. ranking you buffoon. It's got nothing to do with the IPL

I've already acknowledged that the IPL is a good pay packet, but it has severe consequences for the rest of cricket.

 

[GotSpin]

Fortunately, the ratings seem to be dropping AWS, and the administrators will have no choice but to realize that there's a limit to the amount of T20 that people can stand.

By its nature 20/20 is repetitive so it's no surprise to see a correlation between an increase in the number of matches and a decrease in ratings/attendance. It's a shame CA doesn't see it this way though - They have their heads up in the clouds

 

[GotSpin]

By the way, I haven't suggested that the IPL need be eradicated. It serves a purpose. But lets not pretend its some candy land without some seriously negative side effects.

 

[smash84]

By the way, I haven't suggested that the IPL need be eradicated. It serves a purpose. But lets not pretend its some candy land without some seriously negative side effects.

Of course there are pros and cons to everything but you do make it sound as if the IPL is the root of all evil

(money is the root of all evil, IPL = money^2, hence IPL = (money^2)^0.5), hence IPL = evil)

 

[honestbharani]

By the way, I haven't suggested that the IPL need be eradicated. It serves a purpose. But lets not pretend its some candy land without some seriously negative side effects.

Guess compressing it to the month of March or April and a window for it in the ICC calendar would be the most practical way forward.