'Official' Pakistan in West Indies

[smash84]

Hafeez is a greater player than Shoaib.

Malik never managed to put in good performances for the team on such a regular basis.Hafeez has been one of our most dependable bowlers in the last few months,and a regular decent start giving opener.

the problem is that he is not dependable where he is supposed to be i.e. up the order

 

[salman85]

He has been dependable in the last one year.Always gets a start,and his timing looks fantastic.Never looks uncomfortable at the crease.All he needs to do is convert those into big scores.Statistically too,the last one year has been the best of his career and he has the ability to build on it.I would back him to do it.

 

[Woodster]

Just thought I'd add my thoughts on a few of the players talked about on the last page. Hafeez I have been hugely impressed by of late, both with the bat and ball. He seems a really difficult bowler to dominate, with his slight stutter in his action and changes of pace. He's much better than a part-time bowler and very handy in ODI cricket. His stats with the bat in ODI's doesn't do his talent justice, he's not the only talented Pakistani that hasn't fulfilled such potential, he averages just 23.98, although since his recall to the side in 2010 he has averaged 35.00, much more inkeeping with his ability.

The comparison between Wahab and Roach is an interesting one. For the record I believe Kemar Roach is the more dangerous bowler when both are on-song. Roach is the leas experienced of the two, and it may be that once sides have played against him and get familiar with his style he may find the going tougher. He presents a near perfect seam, a lovely fluent action, and has the pace to match, hopefully he will avoid serious injuries and we can see how well he develops.

Wahab is another bowler I like. Seems to be a little more straight up and down than Roach, though can get some deviation in helpful conditions. An attacking bowler that throws it down at decent pace, at 25 has played more domestic cricket than Roach, but probably needs to develop more than Roach. The potential is there and exposure in international cricket can only help to take Wahab to the next level.

 

[smash84]

He has been dependable in the last one year.Always gets a start,and his timing looks fantastic.Never looks uncomfortable at the crease.All he needs to do is convert those into big scores.Statistically too,the last one year has been the best of his career and he has the ability to build on it.I would back him to do it.

To me that is the big problem with Hafeez. He only gets starts and is not dependable. Considering that he is in the team mainly for his batting

His bowling has become very good in ODIs though.

Just thought I'd add my thoughts on a few of the players talked about on the last page. Hafeez I have been hugely impressed by of late, both with the bat and ball. He seems a really difficult bowler to dominate, with his slight stutter in his action and changes of pace. He's much better than a part-time bowler and very handy in ODI cricket. His stats with the bat in ODI's doesn't do his talent justice, he's not the only talented Pakistani that hasn't fulfilled such potential, he averages just 23.98, although since his recall to the side in 2010 he has averaged 35.00, much more inkeeping with his ability.

The comparison between Wahab and Roach is an interesting one. For the record I believe Kemar Roach is the more dangerous bowler when both are on-song. Roach is the leas experienced of the two, and it may be that once sides have played against him and get familiar with his style he may find the going tougher. He presents a near perfect seam, a lovely fluent action, and has the pace to match, hopefully he will avoid serious injuries and we can see how well he develops.

Wahab is another bowler I like. Seems to be a little more straight up and down than Roach, though can get some deviation in helpful conditions. An attacking bowler that throws it down at decent pace, at 25 has played more domestic cricket than Roach, but probably needs to develop more than Roach. The potential is there and exposure in international cricket can only help to take Wahab to the next level.

A good analysis even though I don't think I agree with some of the parts.

 

[Xuhaib]

I have reservations for Wahab he's never been consistent even on the domestic circuit does not bring much apart from heavy pace and a good yorker, hopefully we can find another promising pacer in the next couple of years.

 

[Xuhaib]

He has been dependable in the last one year.Always gets a start,and his timing looks fantastic.Never looks uncomfortable at the crease.All he needs to do is convert those into big scores.Statistically too,the last one year has been the best of his career and he has the ability to build on it.I would back him to do it.

Hafeez averages only 33 even in FC cricket what makes you think he will suddenly turn in to a player who starts converting consistently.He belong to the school of Darren Ganga, Boeta Dippenar and John Crawley. Talented batsmen who flatter to deceive.

 

[smash84]

I have reservations for Wahab he's never been consistent even on the domestic circuit does not bring much apart from heavy pace and a good yorker, hopefully we can find another promising pacer in the next couple of years.

I have reservations regarding your brain

His record in ODIs is pretty good and while his ER rate is on the high side his SR is gun.

If he can develop the incoming delivery to the right hander the lad will go far. He can generate pace and bounce with his action and has a splendid yorker. Does have all the recipes for success. With a little bit of application the guy can do wonders for Pakistan. So far he has done reasonably well for a new comer.

 

[smash84]

Hafeez averages only 33 even in FC cricket what makes you think he will suddenly turn in to a player who starts converting consistently.He belong to the school of Darren Ganga, Boeta Dippenar and John Crawley. Talented batsmen who flatter to deceive.

Agree with this. Would still place Dippenaar above Hafeez as a batsman.

 

[vcs]

Dippenaar had a good ODI record IIRC (averaged 40+ which is pretty good for an opener). Would put him in the Nick Knight category.

 

[Xuhaib]

I have reservations regarding your brain

His record in ODIs is pretty good and while his ER rate is on the high side his SR is gun.

If he can develop the incoming delivery to the right hander the lad will go far. He can generate pace and bounce with his action and has a splendid yorker. Does have all the recipes for success. With a little bit of application the guy can do wonders for Pakistan. So far he has done reasonably well for a new comer.

his action will never allow him to have a very potent inswinger. I don't think he is poor bowler i like him but I don't see him becoming a top class one his ceiling is limited.For the past 30 years Pakistan has had atleast one pacer who had a sub 25 average i don't think him or Umer Gul can attain that.

 

[smash84]

btw didn't know that the tallest cricketer ever hailed from Pakistan.......... until today.......

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[smash84]

his action will never allow him to have a very potent inswinger. I don't think he is poor bowler i like him but I don't see him becoming a top class one his ceiling is limited.For the past 30 years Pakistan has had atleast one pacer who had a sub 25 average i don't think him or Umer Gul can attain that.

I don't mind an average of 26 or 27 if he can take his wickets quickly.

 

[salman85]

Hafeez averages only 33 even in FC cricket what makes you think he will suddenly turn in to a player who starts converting consistently.He belong to the school of Darren Ganga, Boeta Dippenar and John Crawley. Talented batsmen who flatter to deceive.

What makes me think that way is the confidence the side is showing in him,and how he has improved over the last one year to become a vital cog in our ODI machine.

He belonged to the Ganga,Dippenar and Crawley school in the past.Now he's trying to get admission at Oxford since his grades are improving by the day.He might not getting into Oxford, but he will surely get into Yale

 

[smash84]

What makes me think that way is the confidence the side is showing in him,and how he has improved over the last one year to become a vital cog in our ODI machine.

He belonged to the Ganga,Dippenar and Crawley school in the past.Now he's trying to get admission at Oxford since his grades are improving by the day.He might not getting into Oxford, but he will surely get into Yale

Yale > Oxford (although a lot depends on which area of study is chosen)

 

[Xuhaib]

only recently he has started to look like a batsman with talent before his comeback he looked like poor man's Faisal Iqbal

 

[smash84]

only recently he has started to look like a batsman with talent before his comeback he looked like poor man's Faisal Iqbal

poor man's Faisal Iqbal

you sure know how to insult somebody.....lol....good one

 

[Howe_zat]

So who is Anthony Martin?

 

[salman85]

Yale > Oxford (although a lot depends on which area of study is chosen)

You do realize that either way,i've won this argument

 

[Spark]

Full house today, eh?

 

[Mike5181]

Full house today, eh?

. At least Bravo is batting.