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*Official* - Road to India in England 2011

Who will win the England India Test Series 2011


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TT Boy

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England could have 3 lefties in their top 6, so I wouldn't be picking a luxury purely RHB useful bowler like Sree. Zaheer, Ishant and Kumar for me. But of course Kumar will never get selected, so expect some U19 quick (see 75mph trundler) who weighs about 45kg to tour and Sree to get smashed.
 

hang on

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but hasn't the indian batting also improved since last time? seem to remember some real no name or makeshift openers in the indian lineup at that point. also, tendulkar and laxman seem to be batting far better than then even though dravid hasn't been too good. khan's a better bowler than then, though they might miss kumble.
 

Teja.

Global Moderator
Ideally, Praveen Kumar/Vinay Kumar should be picked ahead of Sharma. Praveen has been in sizzling form for the last two years, swinging the ball very much and not having the occasional line-disaster spell every 2 games like he used to.

But keepin' it real, Praveen has no hope of making the squad. Ishant is a thoroughly horrible test bowler at the moment though and needs urgent replacing. The only sort of wicket he could be fairly decent in before was one with swing and considering his accuracy has disappeared completely, He's fairly useless in those wickets as well. Would give Munaf a chance tbh, introduce him in the WI series and see how he goes atleast. Was sharp in recent LO matches too. Picking umadkat, Mithun or anyone else is disaster.

Sreesanth should obviously play. His last two tests in SA were good ones and despite what his series average in the end might say, He has - much like Broad - an ability to bowl a match-turning spell at any point of time. He also picks up important wickets very often unlike that **** Sharma.

Hope to see Harby continue his form in SA, He was putting the ball in the right areas and it looked like he regained his ability to bowl an attacking line without completely spraying it about. Didn't look good at all in the WC but different format and all that.

Zaheer looked very very fit and firing at all points in the WC unlike in the SA tests so I hope it's an indication that he has partly overcome his fitness issues. Dhoni needs to rest him for all the dire ODI series' and make him play only the tests against both WI and England. It's unbelievable by how much he's our most important player right now despite not being our best one.
 
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Blaze 18

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but hasn't the indian batting also improved since last time? seem to remember some real no name or makeshift openers in the indian lineup at that point. also, tendulkar and laxman seem to be batting far better than then even though dravid hasn't been too good. khan's a better bowler than then, though they might miss kumble.
Yeah, we had Dinesh Karthik and Wasim Jaffer opening in that series. I feel both teams are better than what they were in 2007. If Sreesanth can sort out his mental issues (and that's a big 'if', mind you) to back Zaheer Khan up, then it should be a very close series. Just hope they don't pick some no-name U-19 trundler as our third pacer. It should be Sharma, Kumar or Munaf.
 

Blaze 18

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Dhoni needs to rest him for all the dire ODI series' and make him play only the tests against both WI and England. It's unbelievable by how much he's our most important player right now despite not being our best one.
All our senior players (Zaheer, Tendulkar, Sehwag, Harbhajan, Dhoni) are being rested for the ODI series against West Indies, if reports are true.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Sort of a repeat of last time for India isn't it? Side won't have changed much.
Sehwag wasn't selected and Gambhir hadn't yet established himself, so India's opening has definitely improved.

Sehwag has a shocking record against us tho.
 

superkingdave

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Can see the Indians racking up a big score in at least a couple of tests and the scoreboard pressure being too much for us. 2-1 India
 

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Tipping Tremlett to do extremely well. The Indian bats(Sehwag included) are very good at handling movement but steep bounce on a pitch conducive to it is something else. Reckon Swann won't be successful though. The burden of India's hopes rests on Zaheer's shoulders.
Sehwag definitely struggles with lateral movement, perhaps more so than just bouncy tracks. See the contrast in his records in England/SA and Australia.
 

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England could have 3 lefties in their top 6, so I wouldn't be picking a luxury purely RHB useful bowler like Sree. Zaheer, Ishant and Kumar for me. But of course Kumar will never get selected, so expect some U19 quick (see 75mph trundler) who weighs about 45kg to tour and Sree to get smashed.
Good point. But Ishant is also **** at bowling to left-handers TBH. :(
 

Teja.

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Sehwag definitely struggles with lateral movement, perhaps more so than just bouncy tracks. See the contrast in his records in England/SA and Australia.
It's weird though, sometimes he looks invincible even when the ball is swinging/moving of the pitch wildly.(Ref: his 100 in the Innings Steyn took a 7-fer in Nagpur)

Reckon It's a combination of both. But his main issue is not even technical, It's temperamental, It's not that he completely falls apart every-time a short ball/ball pitching outside off and moving away is bowled, It's that he tries to hit it for four/six all the time.

The latter kind of ball is even more of a weakness than the short ball. Anything significantly outside off is easy pickings for him in pitches without much movement but he carries on in the same way in pitches with movement in them and ends up edging to slip, Ain't no harm in leaving the ball sometimes ffs.

The short ball weakness can be more easily overcome. Despite him not having a very good defensive stroke against it, he has shown to be capable of leaving it at times, like in the last Innings in SA, It's just that he has do it more often. Trying to cut well-directed short balls for six over the keeper thrice an over = disaster.

Might not exactly be relevant for England as the pitches will likely be much better for batting than in SA but sometimes it's more hurtful to the team if he scores 30(23) and ****s off than if he lasts out the new ball with 25(72). He's not Afridi or anything, He previously has shown the ability to last at the crease without having to try to slaughter every ball.

Hoping he has a good series and tears that **** Swann apart. :)
 

Athlai

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That England tour was the very beginnings of Zaheer mk II so I don't think that is a big change tbh.

The Indian openers will be a big change.

Reckon everyone is underestimating what the Indian seamers will do in swing friendly conditions. They're ****ing useless but if there is a bit of swing a few of them will look world beaters.
 

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It's weird though, sometimes he looks invincible even when the ball is swinging/moving of the pitch wildly.(Ref: his 100 in the Innings Steyn took a 7-fer in Nagpur)

Reckon It's a combination of both. But his main issue is not even technical, It's temperamental, It's not that he completely falls apart every-time a short ball/ball pitching outside off and moving away is bowled, It's that he tries to hit it for four/six all the time.

The latter kind of ball is even more of a weakness than the short ball. Anything significantly outside off is easy pickings for him in pitches without much movement but he carries on in the same way in pitches with movement in them and ends up edging to slip, Ain't no harm in leaving the ball sometimes ffs.

The short ball weakness can be more easily overcome. Despite him not having a very good defensive stroke against it, he has shown to be capable of leaving it at times, like in the last Innings in SA, It's just that he has do it more often. Trying to cut well-directed short balls for six over the keeper thrice an over = disaster.

Might not exactly be relevant for England as the pitches will likely be much better for batting than in SA but sometimes it's more hurtful to the team if he scores 30(23) and ****s off than if he lasts out the new ball with 25(72). He's not Afridi or anything, He previously has shown the ability to last at the crease without having to try to slaughter every ball.

Hoping he has a good series and tears that **** Swann apart. :)
Agree with pretty much everything you say. Needs to work on his judgement at leaving balls outside off when there's more help for the bowlers. Nothing wrong in showing respect and playing cautiously early on against quality bowlers when the ball is doing a bit.
 

Teja.

Global Moderator
That England tour was the very beginnings of Zaheer mk II so I don't think that is a big change tbh.
About that, Reckon what we have here is Zaheer Mk III tbh, The England series was probably his best one ever but after that, till the beginning of '10, while being a very good bowler, He wasn't quite as smart and tactful a bowler as he was during '10. He averaged about 30 in the period iirc. From the beginning of 2010 though, He has been on a different level from anything he did previously.

My point was largely pedantic though (:p), He was ****ing awesome indeed in England just that he only came back to that level again at the beginning of 2010. I'll be very very happy if he does a repeat of that series, in fact.
 

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The real question is which one of our tailenders will score a century this time around. :ph34r:

And before some smartass responds with "your tail starts at 6", I mean designated tailenders. :p
 
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