Teja.
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One thing you can never criticise Ginger for is being indirect
, Twas post of the day, for mine.
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Indian influence good or bad for cricket?
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, Twas post of the day, for mine.
Borges
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It is not as simplistic as a question of 'greater than' or 'less than'. The accuracy of the technology is just one part of the issue. Its mode of implementation is another equally important part.
If I were merely interested in scoring brownie points on internet debates, I would have been tempted to add 'That is all.'
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Shri
Mr. Glass
Standards are clearly quite low around here then.
Borges
International Regular
Unfortunately, that appears to be the case.Standards are clearly quite low around here then.
Teja.
Global Moderator
I was addressing your point about accuracy though. There isn't a moral economy we're talking about here. The technology is undoubtedly a more accurate tool to judge the path of the ball than the naked eye. Our primary concern is to predict the path of the ball as accurately as possible not to predict the path of the ball from the information presented to the naked eye.
I obviously care very much about scoring brownie points in Internet debates(Whatever that is) so I'll end this post with that is all.
Teja.
Global Moderator
This.
Borges
International Regular
No I'm not taking it seriously at all. I've been on on the internet for quite a while, though I'm very new here. I've a fairly good idea of what it's like debating on the net; that either one has to just blow away the chaff or not debate at all.
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I can't understand how people have such strong views on UDRS either way. Yeah, I think it is a good addition to the game overall, but I can't get too excited over something that improves the accuracy of decision making by a whopping 3% or so (the umpires were getting it right about 95% of the time anyway).
Certainly, I can't understand the mentality of Indian fans who say things like they'd stop cheering for India just because BCCI opposes the UDRS... get some perspective FFS.
Certainly, I can't understand the mentality of Indian fans who say things like they'd stop cheering for India just because BCCI opposes the UDRS... get some perspective FFS.
silentstriker
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The perspective is that they created a whingefest and threatened to go home, and then when the system was introduced to try to make sure such a thing didn't happen, they threw their toys out when they couldn't use it properly the first time.
So yea, if India are to lose, I hope they lose because they aren't using the UDRS and every marginal and non marginal decision goes against them, Sydney style. Like they are 400/0 in the final Test vs. England, for the Test, for the series, and to retain the #1 title and they are chasing 415 to win, and they lose all 10 wickets for fourteen runs, to 10 wrong decisions. That would be epic, and I'd be pretty happy.
So yea, if India are to lose, I hope they lose because they aren't using the UDRS and every marginal and non marginal decision goes against them, Sydney style. Like they are 400/0 in the final Test vs. England, for the Test, for the series, and to retain the #1 title and they are chasing 415 to win, and they lose all 10 wickets for fourteen runs, to 10 wrong decisions. That would be epic, and I'd be pretty happy.
Teja.
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I reckon, when it comes down to it, I love the Indian team too much to want them to lose but wouldn't mind Tendulkar(The main opposition to the UDRS iirc) copping a couple of bad ones at 99 and 98 in successive tests or a hell lot of decisions going against India in some meaningless ODI series.
If It means the Indian team will warm to the UDRS, It'll be more than worth it.
If It means the Indian team will warm to the UDRS, It'll be more than worth it.
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You'd think cricket hasn't existed for a century and a half without UDRS. Bad decisions have been made, people have moaned about it when they were affected and turned a hypocritical blind eye when they went in their favour. Everybody's been there and done it, that's life.
Borges
International Regular
That perspective, while it may not be hundred percent accurate, has a fair amount of justification to it. I also realize that people may have very strong emotional views, somewhat akin to religious beliefs, on the whole UDRS issue.
I still find it quite difficult to understand as to how that implies that we just cannot have a reasonable and logical debate on it. Whether it be the accuracy of the technology involved (not very good IMHO, but better than the less competent umpires). Or it be the mode in which it should be used.
I think that the first issue is the less critical; given enough resources technology will improve over time, and eventually reach as high a level as can be practically attained. I do not know why that should, for some weird reason, prohibit a debate on the second question: how should the technology be used to achieve better decision-making.
silentstriker
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I'd love to have a logical debate on it, except the opposition just boils down to (to paraphrase someone else): A 95% system is better than a 98% because the latter isn't 100%. So the logical debate ends there.
Borges
International Regular
I'm sorry, that is not what we are debating here at all.
95% system being better than a 98% system is something that you decided to introduce into this debate; with absolutely no preceding context to justify its introduction IMHO. Was that because you love to have a logical debate on the topic?
Isn't there a concept of latent demand in economics?
And why is the valuation of an important pillar of the Indian entertainment industry being higher than one of the UK that surprising? Underwritten by the size of their economies and the relative importance of the respective enterprise, are they not?
Oh wait, these are basic economics questions - you said equities ...
What can happen is that as india gets more and more prosperous potential ad revenue will go up, that is very true. But the english premiership is a global event, the IPL doesn't come even remotely close. Let me put things in perspective, a brand valuation of CSK had put the value of the team 46 million the rights for Pune went for 370 million. That's dangerously overvalued, of course it is entirely possible that nothing will go wrong. But given the bombastic & glamorous nature of the IPL people can get tired of the spectacle & the IPL might run out of ideas. It's not that people will stop people but enough people won't be watching. This of course is only a possibility, hopefully I'm wrong
silentstriker
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We've already had a million page thread on it. Feel free to regurgitate in there.
You can blame the players for that. Let's suppose that backing the players is a bad move. That still doesn't make me characterise them as stupid. If they were '****ing stupid', as you put it, they would be a bunch of bumbling idiots and there should be no problems with India's power as it should be very easy to subvert.