Dhoni is a superstar. Haters can suck it

[ankitj]

Ganguly's captaincy a tad overrated. But that's another discussion.

 

[Blaze 18]

Cricket | ICC Cricket World Cup | 'Dhoni is catching up with Imran' | ESPNSTAR.com

 

[smash84]

Cricket | ICC Cricket World Cup | 'Dhoni is catching up with Imran' | ESPNSTAR.com

wow......coming from Akram that is saying a lot..........

 

[Shri]

Ganguly's captaincy a tad overrated. But that's another discussion.

You should go set the speed to 100Mph on a bowling machine, remove your box and go stand in front of said bowling machine and receive 10 shots on your groin.

 

[smash84]

You should go set the speed to 100Mph on a bowling machine, remove your box and go stand in front of said bowling machine and receive 10 shots on your groin.

 

[Teja.]

You should go set the speed to 100Mph on a bowling machine, remove your box and go stand in front of said bowling machine and receive 10 shots on your groin.

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No greater man than the dada himself.

 

[salman85]

With all due respect to Dhoni,I think Wasim got a bit carried away there.Dhoni's a fantastic captain,but he still has a fair way to go before being on the same level/close to Imran the captain.

Ganguly on the other hand,is the mannest of the mans.One of my favorite cricketers ever.The Prince Of Calcutta WAG

 

[smash84]

With all due respect to Dhoni,I think Wasim got a bit carried away there.Dhoni's a fantastic captain,but he still has a fair way to go before being on the same level/close to Imran the captain.

Ganguly on the other hand,is the mannest of the mans.One of my favorite cricketers ever.The Prince Of Calcutta WAG

Dude I also think Dhoni is somewhat like Imran as a captain. The only thing that I want to see is how will Dhoni perform as a captain when the big four leave the team and he has a rebuilding process ahead of him.

Better than Ganguly even now.

 

[SirBloody Idiot]

His ton in the final was easily one of the best ODI innings I've seen since Mahela Jayawardene's ton in the 2011 World Cup final.

 

[Jono]

Dhoni didn't score a ton.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Do people have some sort of personal vendetta against Bevan or something? The idea that someone could argue that he's half the player Viv was is pretty astonishing to me given that Bevan was almost unquestionably the best finisher the game has ever seen and played some jaw-dropping innings under pressure.

I can certainly accept people saying Viv is better, even by a fair margin, and personally I think it's almost impossible to compare the two, but Bevan would be an absolute walkover into an all-time ODI XI which surely means the gap can't be that huge.

 

[smash84]

Do people have some sort of personal vendetta against Bevan or something? The idea that someone could argue that he's half the player Viv was is pretty astonishing to me given that Bevan was almost unquestionably the best finisher the game has ever seen and played some jaw-dropping innings under pressure.

I can certainly accept people saying Viv is better, even by a fair margin, and personally I think it's almost impossible to compare the two, but Bevan would be an absolute walkover into an all-time ODI XI which surely means the gap can't be that huge.

This. So this

 

[salman85]

Dude I also think Dhoni is somewhat like Imran as a captain. The only thing that I want to see is how will Dhoni perform as a captain when the big four leave the team and he has a rebuilding process ahead of him.

Better than Ganguly even now.

In the way he conducts himself and the team on the pitch,then perhaps yes.But he still has to achieve more to be up there with Imran.I don't think they are similar in terms of captaincy style btw.Imran was autocratic.He captained with an iron fist.Dhoni doesn't lead like that,or atleast doesn't appear to lead like that.

 

[vcs]

Products of their environments, really. Dhoni would look silly ruling the likes of Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman with an iron fist. I wonder if Imran had many senior players in his team and how he involved them in the leadership.. guys like Zaheer Abbas, Abdul Qadir(?). Not sure of their ages and status in the team, and whether any of them were there prior to Imran.

 

[smash84]

Products of their environments, really. Dhoni would look silly ruling the likes of Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman with an iron fist. I wonder if Imran had many senior players in his team and how he involved them in the leadership.. guys like Zaheer Abbas, Abdul Qadir(?). Not sure of their ages and status in the team, and whether any of them were there prior to Imran.

You are right actually. Most of the old guard were retiring or had retired when Imran took over captaincy. Only Javed remained from his olden days.

Zaheer Abbas, Asif Iqbal, Sarfaraz Nawaz, Majid Khan, Mushtaq Mohammad, all had retired by 1984. Imran had taken up captaincy in 1982.

 

[salman85]

True that vcs.

In Imran's case,some of the players were there prior to his appointment in the team.I think he was first appointed as captain in 1981 or 1982 for the England tour if im not wrong.And the team had the likes of Mudassar Nazar,Zaheer Abbas etc,who were already established members of the side.

 

[Sanz]

Do people have some sort of personal vendetta against Bevan or something? The idea that someone could argue that he's half the player Viv was is pretty astonishing to me given that Bevan was almost unquestionably the best finisher the game has ever seen and played some jaw-dropping innings under pressure.

I can certainly accept people saying Viv is better, even by a fair margin, and personally I think it's almost impossible to compare the two, but Bevan would be an absolute walkover into an all-time ODI XI which surely means the gap can't be that huge.

Why would I have a personal vendetta against Bevan ?

Having watched VIV, Sachin and Bevan for most of their careers it is fairly easy to say that I would pick VIV ahead of any batsman ever (in ODIs) in any situation. Bevan was a great ODI batsman but could he be the man for every situation ? Could he open the innings, could he come in the power play and score at will, could he take on the world's best bowlers at their best ?

The answer to all of the above is :- NO. Bevan had a job in the Aussie team, he did it very well and that is why he is considered an all time ODI great. But that alone is not enough to put him on the same level as VIV, at least not for me.

 

[Spark]

Hmmm... I think Bevan had a very good top-order record on the few occasions he played there. He was just considered of more use as a finisher.

And Sanz: FDO was simply arguing that the gap, whilst perhaps large, is not so large as being twice as good.

 

[Sanz]

I don't care much for stats. Guys like Dhoni have average about 49 and SR 87 and I wouldn't put them in the same scale as Viv.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Personally I'd argue that Bevan could play a lot of different roles if necessary, and if you look at his career closely it wasn't all just 55* (80) type innings, he just specialised in that sort of thing. There's no question that quite a few players would be better top order ODI batsmen than Bevan, though.

Anyway I don't really disagree with anything you said, Viv would be the first name I'd put down if I was putting together an all-time ODI XI, but Bevan would also be in that team which means talking about there being a huge gulf between them as players seems a bit over the top to me. Bevan was better than anyone else at what he did after all, and if you can argue that Bevan wasn't capable of going to the top of the order and smashing the ball around with the field up you can equally argue that other batsmen wouldn't have had the composure under pressure, the ability to find gaps and bat with tailenders and so on that Bevan did.