Garry Sobers v Imran Khan,Test Cricket:Poll

[vcs]

I was actually trying to make a lame joke on the same theme as the "Sobers bowled spin on wickets that assisted pace and vice versa for the sake of his team" legend. Seems no one picked up on it.

 

[Jono]

Sobers had a better gap between his teeth ftr

 

[vcs]

From that link Ankit posted :

When Rajinikanth does push-ups, he isn't lifting himself up. He is pushing the earth down.

This is actually correct, isn't it (depending on which way you look at it)? /pedant

 

[smash84]

From that link Ankit posted :



This is actually correct, isn't it (depending on which way you look at it)? /pedant

lol......only if Newton's laws of motion hold true........

 

[Maximus0723]

Give it up already. Sobers and Imran may be great, but you guys are trying to elevate him to a class that belongs to Rajnikanth alone.

Many of those jokes are same as Chuck Norris jokes.
If I had to guess, Rajnikanth jokes were copied from Chuck Norris jokes.

 

[smash84]

Many of those jokes are same as Chuck Norris jokes.
If I had to guess, Rajnikanth jokes were copied from Chuck Norris jokes.

true....but they are fun all the same

 

[Howe_zat]

From that link Ankit posted :



This is actually correct, isn't it (depending on which way you look at it)? /pedant

lol......only if Newton's laws of motion hold true........

Well, Newton's laws do hold true. And no-one is travelling close to the speed of light in this scenario, so we'll use the short version.

Basically, the Great Moustache is pushing the Earth down, but as a result of Newton's Third Law, the Earth pushes back just as hard. Since not even Rajnikanth weighs much compared to the Earth's 6 billion trillion tonnes (hard to believe I know), he's the one you'll see moving.

 

[Teja.]

Meh, All those jokes are old Chuck Norris jokes ftr.

Useless unimaginative ****s swap Chuck with Rajini and spam text everyone the jokes.

 

[Engle]

1. Imran captained the most difficult volatile team. The Pak team is far more prone to outbursts/controversy/rebellion than any other team, including the diverse W.Indians

2. Fast bowlers rarely make good captains due to the burden they carry, much less if they're expected to bat well. Imran stands out from amongst his contemporaries and successors. Botham and Kapil were not successful leaders for long.
Hadlee was protected from captaincy
Kallis too
S.Pollock not successful
C.Cairns protected
Flintoff not successful

So, if one were to put the good captains together, Lloyd, Richards, Cronje, Chappell, Border, Taylor, Waugh, Brearley, Imran, Ranatunga, Ganguly......who do you think would stand out ? Yup, all eyes would turn towards the only fast bowler in the crowd.

 

[bagapath]

1. Imran captained the most difficult volatile team. The Pak team is far more prone to outbursts/controversy/rebellion than any other team, including the diverse W.Indians

2. Fast bowlers rarely make good captains due to the burden they carry, much less if they're expected to bat well. Imran stands out from amongst his contemporaries and successors. Botham and Kapil were not successful leaders for long.
Hadlee was protected from captaincy
Kallis too
S.Pollock not successful
C.Cairns protected
Flintoff not successful

So, if one were to put the good captains together, Lloyd, Richards, Cronje, Chappell, Border, Taylor, Waugh, Brearley, Imran, Ranatunga, Ganguly......who do you think would stand out ? Yup, all eyes would turn towards the only fast bowler in the crowd.

No cricketer wearing specs has been a great captain either. So why don't we hand it to lloyd? Come on!!!!

smalishah84....
Well. Imran did'nt have as many world beaters as lloyd. As a consequence or due to other reasons his pak team wasn't a world beater either. A record of 14 wins out of 48 puts him in the good skippers league. He led a good team to its potential in tests, like Cronje. Good, yes. But God he was not.

 

[smash84]

No cricketer wearing specs has been a great captain either. So why don't we hand it to lloyd? Come on!!!!

smalishah84....
Well. Imran did'nt have as many world beaters as lloyd. As a consequence or due to other reasons his pak team wasn't a world beater either. A record of 14 wins out of 48 puts him in the good skippers league. He led a good team to its potential in tests, like Cronje. Good, yes. But God he was not.

Imran didn't have a fraction of the world beaters that Lloyd have and yes his team was never a world beater like Bradman's invincibles or Lloyd's WI or Waugh's Aussies but they played much much better than their individual levels would suggest. A good example, borrowing from business, of synergies if you will. The synergy that Imran generated was a fair bit more than the others.

And you have to put his 14 wins and 6 or 8 losses and 26 or so draws in perspectives. Most of the test matches in the 80s ended up in draws. The number of draws in the 80s was very high. Except for the WI (arguably the greatest side in the history of the game) in the 80s no other team was winning too many matches. However a fair number of those wins resulted in series wins or series drawn. For e.g. in the 1987 series in India 4 out of the 5 matches were draws. In the 1987 England test series 3 out of the 4 matches were draws. So it was the way cricket panned out in that decade. To go out on a high in such a decade with the likes of Sikander Bakht, Tahir Naqqash, Jalaluddin, Iqbal Qasim, Qasim Umar, Ijaz Ahmed, Tauseef Ahmed, etc as opposed to Richards, Marshall, Greenidge, Roberts, Croft, Garner, Holding and co is a big big achievement.

Who said that he is the God of captaincy? But he is right up there in the pantheon of great captains and with good reason too. That is all that I am saying. Unlike you who says that Imran does not deserve to be even in the top 8 best captains of all time I do say that he has a very strong case of being in the top 3.

 

[Engle]

No cricketer wearing specs has been a great captain either. So why don't we hand it to lloyd? Come on!!!!

A non-sequitur. Specs or height/weight or facial hair or political leanings have nothing to do with this argument.

The point was made that a fast bowlers burden is immense already without the added burden of captaincy. Of all the disciplines on the cricket field, the one with the least chance of success in captaincy is the fast bowler, a point backed up by history.

 

[L Trumper]

1. Imran captained the most difficult volatile team. The Pak team is far more prone to outbursts/controversy/rebellion than any other team, including the diverse W.Indians

2. Fast bowlers rarely make good captains due to the burden they carry, much less if they're expected to bat well. Imran stands out from amongst his contemporaries and successors. Botham and Kapil were not successful leaders for long.
Hadlee was protected from captaincy
Kallis too
S.Pollock not successful
C.Cairns protected
Flintoff not successful

So, if one were to put the good captains together, Lloyd, Richards, Cronje, Chappell, Border, Taylor, Waugh, Brearley, Imran, Ranatunga, Ganguly......who do you think would stand out ? Yup, all eyes would turn towards the only fast bowler in the crowd.

Nope. Eyes turn towards to their favorite player.

****ing dire comparison thread this.

 

[bagapath]

A non-sequitur. Specs or height/weight or facial hair or political leanings have nothing to do with this argument.

The point was made that a fast bowlers burden is immense already without the added burden of captaincy. Of all the disciplines on the cricket field, the one with the least chance of success in captaincy is the fast bowler, a point backed up by history.

you are saying that just because no fast bowler has been successful as skipper over a long period. that doesnt mean fast bowlers cant be good skippers. there have not been too many great spin bowling captains too. so are you going to hand it to benaud? I bet you wont coz it doesnt suit your argument.

also, till 10,15 years ago, there were no great wk-skippers either. but we dont hold on to that opinion anymore since gilchrist, flower, sangakara and dhoni have all done a good/great job as skippers and keepers.

so stop praising imran for his bowling and his long hair and good looks when we are discussing something else.

i wish we stopped cooking up non-sensical reasons to build a case for a great cricketer. this is actually insulting the legacy of the great man.

 

[bagapath]

Imran didn't have a fraction of the world beaters that Lloyd have and yes his team was never a world beater like Bradman's invincibles or Lloyd's WI or Waugh's Aussies but they played much much better than their individual levels would suggest. A good example, borrowing from business, of synergies if you will. The synergy that Imran generated was a fair bit more than the others.

Who said that he is the God of captaincy?

agree with both the points above. the rest, we can agree to disagree.

he is one of the gods of fast bowling though. and always in my all time IV as a bowling all rounder.

 

[smash84]

so stop praising imran for his bowling and his long hair and good looks when we are discussing something else.

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TBF to Engel he never mentioned Imran's looks.

, we can agree to disagree.

he is one of the gods of fast bowling though. and always in my all time IV as a bowling all rounder.

Agreed. Been saying that all along when you first came into the captaincy debate

 

[Maximus0723]

Name captains that were also bowlers failed before Imran?

 

[bagapath]

Name captains that were also bowlers failed before Imran?

good question. i want to see the spin bowling and wicket keeping captains that succeeded before imran as well.

 

[bagapath]

TBF to Engel he never mentioned Imran's looks.

but he claims imran being a fast bowler should count in his favor; this is equally silly.

 

[smash84]

but he claims imran being a fast bowler should count in his favor; this is equally silly.

agreed