best bowlers in the 90s

[vcs]

Hmmm... Not so sure mate. Taylor and Gooch were two fine openers in what is called on here a lot more difficult era. I'm quite sure they'd like to open up on the pitches of the 2000s and with artillery pieces for bats.

Whether Messrs Hayden and Sehwag would enjoy opening so much in the 90s is a more difficult question.

Yeah, true that.

 

[Maximus0723]

I am not too comfortable going with Pollock b/c he had only played 38 tests at the end of '99. If one was looking at players from 90's right after it ended where one doesn't know how the player will perform in the future, one wouldn't feel comfortable with that choice.

I will go Wasim, Waqar, Donald, Warne. Donald vs. Ambrose vs. Wasim is tough but I will go Wasim (b/c of his bat) and Donald (b/c he is better wicket taker).

Overall,
Taylor (need his captaincy and leadership, even though I think Anwar is better bat)
Gooch
Lara
Tendulkar
Waugh
de Silva (Tough call b/c him and Flower. I liked flower here b/c he is familiar with the spot unlike de Silva but Flower lacks the experience)
Healy+ (I feel more comfortable with him especially b/c I am going with Warne)
Wasim
Warne
Waqar
Donald

 

[Maximus0723]

Hmmm... Not so sure mate. Taylor and Gooch were two fine openers in what is called on here a lot more difficult era. I'm quite sure they'd like to open up on the pitches of the 2000s and with artillery pieces for bats.

Whether Messrs Hayden and Sehwag would enjoy opening so much in the 90s is a more difficult question.

By that logic then let's just have Hobbs/Hutton/Sunny open.

 

[smash84]

Hmmm... Not so sure mate. Taylor and Gooch were two fine openers in what is called on here a lot more difficult era. I'm quite sure they'd like to open up on the pitches of the 2000s and with artillery pieces for bats.

Whether Messrs Hayden and Sehwag would enjoy opening so much in the 90s is a more difficult question.

I think hayden did pretty badly in the 90s against some good bowling attacks IIRC which is why it took him until the 00s to cement his place in the side. So he probably won't like it too much against the bowling of the 90s. 90s team probably stronger because of a better bowling attack????

 

[Top_Cat]

By that logic then let's just have Hobbs/Hutton/Sunny open.

Except none of those guys were mentioned in either of the lists in question...

 

[bagapath]

there is no doubt in my mind that ambrose and warne were the premium bowlers of the 90s. akram is a very close no.3. the fourth position is a toss up between donald and waqar. in the end, i will go with stephen's team, too.

gooch
taylor (c)
lara
tendulkar
de silva
waugh
healy (wk)
akram
warne
ambrose
donald

this is as good or better than the best of 00s. which should be....

sehwag
hayden
ponting (c)
dravid
kallis
laxman
gilchrist
pollock
murali
steyn
mcgrath

 

[Top_Cat]

I think hayden did pretty badly in the 90s against some good bowling attacks IIRC which is why it took him until the 00s to cement his place in the side. So he probably won't like it too much against the bowling of the 90s. 90s team probably stronger because of a better bowling attack????

Personally, I bagged the absolute **** out of Haydos for his play in the 90's. Didn't go the academy because he wasn't that highly-rated locally, rooted to the front-foot, couldn't hit the gap between Belladonna's teeth, hated short stuff and an absolute knob to boot.

But when he was picked in 2000, he was, quite simply, a far better batsman than when picked in '93. More shots, more patience, some humility (for a while), etc. Easier-paced pitches helped but if you transplanted that Hayden to the mid 90's, feel confident he'd have done far better than he did. 50+ average? Possibly not but better.

 

[Maximus0723]

Except none of those guys were mentioned in either of the lists in question...

Uhh,
Why would you have Gooch and Taylor open for '00 when they never played in that decade? Isn't that the point of one (or vcs in this case) having Sehwag and Hayden open.

It's different story if one is talking about 90's and 00's.

 

[Top_Cat]

You missed the point again. Burgey took issue with the idea that the openers in the 00's were more 'imposing' than those who played in the 90's, suggesting that Gooch and Taylor might have scored more had they played in the era of flatter pitches and better bats and that, perhaps, the ability gap might not actually be there. Anyone who played outside of that era is irrelevant to what he said.

 

[Spark]

Just to add - I don't see why Gilchrist shouldn't be made captain if, as seems to be the case, there are no other real options other than Ponting. Who won a series in India again?

 

[vcs]

there is no doubt in my mind that ambrose and warne were the premium bowlers of the 90s. akram is a very close no.3. the fourth position is a toss up between donald and waqar. in the end, i will go with stephen's team, too.

gooch
taylor (c)
lara
tendulkar
de silva
waugh
healy (wk)
akram
warne
ambrose
donald

this is as good or better than the best of 00s. which should be....

sehwag
hayden
ponting (c)
dravid
kallis
laxman
gilchrist
pollock
murali
steyn
mcgrath

Your '00s team is exactly the same as mine except for replacing Sangakkara with Dravid, which on further reflection, I'll go with.

I dunno, that '00s team's batting lineup with Gilchrist in it just looks so much more imposing that the '90s one. Would certainly back it, especially with Kallis filling in as 5th bowler. Loads of balance there. On the other hand, a peak Lara and Tendulkar (with Waugh and De Silva to follow) taking on an attack of Pollock, Murali, Steyn and McGrath would be mouth-watering..

 

[MrIncredible]

there is no doubt in my mind that ambrose and warne were the premium bowlers of the 90s. akram is a very close no.3. the fourth position is a toss up between donald and waqar. in the end, i will go with stephen's team, too.

gooch
taylor (c)
lara
tendulkar
de silva
waugh
healy (wk)
akram
warne
ambrose
donald

this is as good or better than the best of 00s. which should be....

sehwag
hayden
ponting (c)
dravid
kallis
laxman
gilchrist
pollock
murali
steyn
mcgrath

Two very outstanding teams. In the end, id probably give the 00 teamm the edge due to

its depth in batting. I mean seriously, Gilchrist at 7 and Pollock at 8. The bowling is all

even if u ask me.

 

[Howe_zat]

Fairly certain a 1990s would be beaten the 1980s, largely on the back of that quality Windies side being given the balance it never had with the allrounders of the time.

Botham 12th man here, says something that I couldn't really fit him in. Holding, Garner, Lillee all possibilities but left out to peaking too early.

Greenidge, Gavaskar, Richards, Miandad, Border, Dujon, Imran Khan, Kapil Dev, Hadlee, Marshall, Qadir

 

[vcs]

Yeah, fantastic lineup but spin is a bit of a weakness there... probably go with the spirit of the times and pick an all-pace attack.

 

[hang on]

my 80s, 90s and 00s team would be:

gavaskar
greenidge
richards
miandad
border
imran
hadlee
dujon
marshall
holding
qadir

taylor (c)
gooch
lara
tendulkar
waugh
inzamam
healy
akram
warne
donald
ambrose

sehwag
hayden
ponting
dravid
kallis
sangakkara
gilchrist
pollock
steyn
murali
mcgrath

really difficult to say which team would prevail, though the 90s team is a little weak, relatively speaking, at the very top of the order.

 

[smash84]

my 80s, 90s and 00s team would be:

gavaskar
greenidge
richards
miandad
border
imran
hadlee
dujon
marshall
holding
qadir

taylor (c)
gooch
lara
tendulkar
waugh
inzamam
healy
akram
warne
donald
ambrose

sehwag
hayden
ponting
dravid
kallis
sangakkara
gilchrist
pollock
steyn
murali
mcgrath

really difficult to say which team would prevail, though the 90s team is a little weak, relatively speaking, at the very top of the order.

agree with your assessment regarding the 90s team. The 80s team can have fantastic balance due to the richness of the great all rounders available to them

 

[ankitj]

Fairly certain a 1990s would be beaten the 1980s, largely on the back of that quality Windies side being given the balance it never had with the allrounders of the time.

Botham 12th man here, says something that I couldn't really fit him in. Holding, Garner, Lillee all possibilities but left out to peaking too early.

Greenidge, Gavaskar, Richards, Miandad, Border, Dujon, Imran Khan, Kapil Dev, Hadlee, Marshall, Qadir

Great batting depth with Hadlee at 9 and Marshall at 10.

I will perhaps replace Kapil by Botham, only change I will make in that lineup.

 

[bagapath]

80s

gavaskar
greenidge
richards
g.chappell
border
imran (c)
botham
dujon (wk)
hadlee
marshall
lillee

i dont need spinners in this team

 

[smash84]

80s

gavaskar
greenidge
richards
g.chappell
border
imran (c)
botham
dujon (wk)
hadlee
marshall
lillee

i dont need spinners in this team

An outstanding team

 

[Teja.]

Fairly certain a 1990s would be beaten the 1980s, largely on the back of that quality Windies side being given the balance it never had with the allrounders of the time.

Botham 12th man here, says something that I couldn't really fit him in. Holding, Garner, Lillee all possibilities but left out to peaking too early.

Greenidge, Gavaskar, Richards, Miandad, Border, Dujon, Imran Khan, Kapil Dev, Hadlee, Marshall, Qadir

2/5 bowlers being non-ATG quality feels like a bit of a worry to me. When picking an AT side, I make sure first that all my bowlers are ATG quality on bowling alone, particularly when I have Khan and Hadlee in my side

Khan
Hadlee
Marshall
Holding
Garner, for me.

Botham is an interesting case for AT XI based on time period. He'd be the first pick to make in a 70s XI as his peak was in the late 70s but he wasn't all that flash at all in the 80s. Picking Qadir is too much of a sacrifice in bowling quality for me. Much more than the value of diversity in bowling options.