Players that are the most overated by CW posters.

[vcs]

Yeah, it's a bit rich complaining about Tendulkar being ridiculously overrated while he's merely a contender for an ATG batsman, and at the same time bringing in Warne's mythical "leadership, influence on the game" and wishy-washy **** like that.

 

[hang on]

did u miss something?

sure. tendulkar's bowling.

how does captaincy even count in measuring their prowess as cricketers?

 

[vcs]

Ponting: Captaincy, Batting, Fielding.
Tendulkar: Batting.

Did I miss something?

Yes, his bowling and his captaincy.

 

[smash84]

vcs i think you would be better off not mentioning Sachin's captaincy. He used to bowl decently but for some reason (injury concerns???) stopped bowling. Had a lot of variety as much as any bowler that I have seen.

 

[hang on]

essentially, it would seem that ponting's fielding is so much better than the tendulkars bowling and fielding that it would completely eclipse tendulkar's batting superiority. otherwise, not quite sure how tendulkar isn't even close to ponting as a cricketer. truly baffling!

 

[vcs]

Ponting: Captaincy, Batting, Fielding.
Tendulkar: Batting.

Did I miss something? Ponting is a record breaker and a success in 3 separate instances, Tendulkar one. So how are they equal as players when it's debatable that even in the thing Tendulkar is great at that he is better than Ponting?



Warne is one of the best slip fielders of all-time. Tendulkar is what? Merely good?

Really...what influence did Sachin have on the rest of cricket? Were there a shortage of quality batsmen before he joined? Do you think an Aussie kid is looking to be the next Tendulkar or Chappell, Ponting, Waugh, Border etc?

And how many Indian kids want to become the new Tendulkar? Ponting's Test captaincy is nothing to write home about BTW, but I'm not here to debate that. The point is you have no fair way of comparing Ponting's Test captaincy to Tendulkar's.

 

[vic_orthdox]

For mine, I don't think that Tendulkar is an inherently better player than other batsmen. It's just that it is so difficult to see his longevity being matched in the future, and his ridiculous appetite for runs. If you had to ask me who was the best batsman I'd seen, then I don't know if I'd say Sachin. But if you asked me who I'd want to have had playing for my team, I'd say Sachin because his career has managed to stretch for so long at such a high standard.

I think Kallis is in vogue at the moment and that's because he was heroic , but I still maintain that as a batsman he's certainly not in the top echelon that I've seen. I think that KP is overrated slightly on the basis of his first few years in Test cricket, he's an enigma.

 

[vcs]

I also don't understand this approach of adding up different facets of a player's game to declare him a "better cricketer". I mean, Pollock > McGrath? Not in a million years for mine.

 

[robelinda]

Agree with both above posts, quality stuff.

 

[Ikki]

Yeah, it's a bit rich complaining about Tendulkar being ridiculously overrated while he's merely a contender for an ATG batsman, and at the same time bringing in Warne's mythical "leadership, influence on the game" and wishy-washy **** like that.

No, Tendulkar is not overrated really as a batsman. He is there or thereabouts amongst the players after Bradman. In terms of how much his batting contributed to him being one of the best players of all time, he is certainly overrated.

There's little wishy washy about Warne's bowling or his slip-fielding. Whether you regard his leadership (of which plenty of players have commented on) because he wasn't captain is an issue I can see someone being sceptical about. However, let's keep on track...what about Tendulkar other than his batting made him such a great player?

Yes, his bowling and his captaincy.

Tendulkar was neither a success at bowling or captaincy. That's like saying Gillespie was a success with the bat or that Pietersen was a great captain. Ponting has all-time success in those 3 separate categories.

And how many Indian kids want to become the new Tendulkar? Ponting's Test captaincy is nothing to write home about BTW, but I'm not here to debate that. The point is you have no fair way of comparing Ponting's Test captaincy to Tendulkar's.

Then say Tendulkar had an affect on Indian cricket. Let's not again overrate his influence elsewhere.

 

[Blaze 18]

I also don't understand this approach of adding up different facets of a player's game to declare him a "better cricketer". I mean, Pollock > McGrath? Not in a million years for mine.

Agree.

 

[ankitj]

Even for the recent CW's greatest 50 ODI cricketers, Warne was ranked #1 by at least one voter. I will maintain that Warne fan-boyism is more prevalent on this forum than Tendulkar fan-boyism, and is also more acceptable.

 

[vcs]

Well, many young Indian cricketers have had plenty of good things to say about Tendulkar's influence in the dressing room. He's never had a problem with any of the captains he's played under, indeed he's only been a great help by all accounts. If you're willing to talk about Warne's overall influence on Australian cricket, all that holds equally good for Tendulkar.

 

[ankitj]

I also don't understand this approach of adding up different facets of a player's game to declare him a "better cricketer". I mean, Pollock > McGrath? Not in a million years for mine.

What is worse is to do that selectively. Add up Ponting and Warne's leadership. But ignore Imran's and Hadlee's batting when comparing them with Lillee or McGrath (and to me leadership and fielding as secondary skills are more wishy-washy than batting or bowling)

 

[Ikki]

I also don't understand this approach of adding up different facets of a player's game to declare him a "better cricketer". I mean, Pollock > McGrath? Not in a million years for mine.

That's because it's a different discussion in that sense. McGrath was unquestionably the better bowler. It is whether you regard Pollock's batting enough (or ask whether it made the difference enough times) to discount their difference as bowlers. Some people will say yes, some will say no. Let's say you mentioned Hadlee...yes, he is the better cricketer.

But Tendulkar and Ponting are practically neck and neck for all intents and purposes when you rate them. Tendulkar gets the tip of the cap plenty because of his longevity but in terms of cold hard facts they are close enough that either opinion is viable. However, Ponting has been an all-time great fielder - a candidate for the best ever - as well. He has also been a leader breaking records left and right and also standing in the firing line always taking the hits and wanting to be the captain. Are you saying none of that counts towards him as a player?

 

[Ikki]

What is worse is to do that selectively. Add up Ponting and Warne's leadership. But ignore Imran's and Hadlee's batting when comparing them with Lillee or McGrath (and to me leadership and fielding as secondary skills are more wishy-washy than batting or bowling)

Who did so selectively? They are better players.

 

[ankitj]

Who did so selectively? They are better players.

From your history of posting, I know you regarded Lillee as greater cricketer than Imran and Hadlee. It may have changed now. And you also regard Warne greater than Sobers and Imran, don't you?

 

[vcs]

That's because it's a different discussion in that sense. McGrath was unquestionably the better bowler. It is whether you regard Pollock's batting enough (or ask whether it made the difference enough times) to discount their difference as bowlers. Some people will say yes, some will say no. Let's say you mentioned Hadlee...yes, he is the better cricketer.

But Tendulkar and Ponting are practically neck and neck for all intents and purposes when you rate them. Tendulkar gets the tip of the cap plenty because of his longevity but in terms of cold hard facts they are close enough that either opinion is viable. However, Ponting has been an all-time great fielder - a candidate for the best ever - as well. He has also been a leader breaking records left and right and also standing in the firing line always taking the hits and wanting to be the captain. Are you saying none of that counts towards him as a player?

It doesn't put him a long way above Tendulkar as a cricketer, no. Not for me anyway.

 

[vcs]

Anyway, I just don't get the need to compare and rank players as "cricketers". What good is it Kallis being a better cricketer than Viv Richards if he can't make an All-Time XI over him?

 

[hang on]

why are ponting and tendulkar neck and neck battingwise while mcgrath and pollock are so far apart in bowling that pollock's batting doesn't make up for the gap?


i certainly don't put ponting in the same category as tendulkar or lara (just in terms of batting), both of whom are choices for many all time world 11s. ponting is rarely, if ever, a choice for a world 11. and it's not because he is competing with bradman.