Players that are the most overated by CW posters.

[Howe_zat]

Applies also to Warne and Lillee vis-à-vis Imran and Hadlee?

Not really, considering none of those have dominated their field, let alone dominated the sport like Bradman did.

 

[ankitj]

In the post you quote I obviously thought the poster in question was referring to Tendulkar as an overall player; but he was merely talking him up as a batsman. FTR, I find it just as annoying having to hear that Tendulkar isn't overrated. You're almost never going to hear people seriously say Viv Richards, Lara, Ponting or Warne are better players than Bradman...but you do hear people saying that with Tendulkar, and with a straight face. That says it all, really.

Remember we are talking about this forum only. And evidence suggests the exact opposite.

Exhibit A

Exhibit B

Check the highest rank that CW voters gave to Tendulkar and Warne. Safe to say, Warne is more overrated by CW posters than Tendulkar is.

 

[Dasa]

this pseudo-elitist anti-sachin brigade that's beginning to form is quite a bit more annoying than the mythical sachin is th best ever brigade that's trotted out as a strawman.

awta so much.

 

[ankitj]

Applies also to Warne and Lillee vis-à-vis Imran and Hadlee?

Not really, considering none of those have dominated their field, let alone dominated the sport like Bradman did.

Actually I meant to respond to his point about how Sobers, Hammond etc are better cricketers even if not better batsmen than Tendulkar.

 

[Ikki]

Remember we are talking about this forum only. And evidence suggests the exact opposite.

Exhibit A

Exhibit B

Check the highest rank that CW voters gave to Tendulkar and Warne. Safe to say, Warne is more overrated by CW posters than Tendulkar is.

Not in that sense, no. Putting my own bias aside, I can understand Warne being so high. Warne is a player that comes once every several life-times There are 2, at most 3, players in the history of the game that can even compare to him merely on his spin-bowling alone - let alone his slip fielding, leadership and influence on the game. Batsmen like Tendulkar appear every decade pretty much. His batting is amongst the best, after Bradman, but on it's own it is not enough for the kind of praise he receives. He was an all-time great bat and...?

I know we are talking about opinions on this forum but obviously opinions from elsewhere permeate through to here.

 

[Howe_zat]

Actually I meant to respond to his point about how Sobers, Hammond etc are better cricketers even if not better batsmen than Tendulkar.

Ah I see. Interesting question.

Fwiw I'll usually plump for the specialist, though for Hadlee I tend to make an exception.

 

[ankitj]

Not in that sense, no. Putting by own bias aside, I can understand Warne being so high. Warne is a player that comes once every several life-times There are 2, at most 3, players in the history of the game that can even compare to him merely on bowling alone - let alone his slip fielding, leadership and influence on the game. Batsmen like Tendulkar appear every decade pretty much. His batting is amongst the best, after Bradman, but on it's own it is not enough for the kind of praise he receives. He was an all-time great bat and...?

Not going to go down the road of assessing Warne himself. Only showing you evidence that some CW posters do rank Warne above Bradman there, while none do that to Tendulkar. And you said exact opposite. Want to retract your words?

 

[Ikki]

Not going to go down the road of assessing Warne himself. Only showing you evidence that some CW posters do rank Warne above Bradman there, while none do that to Tendulkar. And you said exact opposite. Want to retract your words?

I didn't know you were referring to that; I thought you were only referring to Warne's position in relation to Tendulkar's. I don't know who voted Warne as #1, but I imagine it may have been taking the piss somewhat or a tactical vote (that happens a lot) - I think someone didn't even vote for Bradman in that poll. And let's be honest...no one talks about such a thing here - I don't recall the person coming out and actually arguing Warne > Bradman. Yet you have people coming on this forum opening threads actually questioning why Bradman is better than Tendulkar - it's happened several times.

But when the likes of Gavaskar and Hussain, on our TV screens, are saying Tendulkar is better than Bradman then you are absolutely kidding yourself to say that in general Tendulkar is not overrated. To pretend that there is no "Tendulkar is the best brigade" is delusional.

 

[Himannv]

I think that Tendulkar is overated by just a select few at the very most on CW. In general I find most of the ratings of him quite fair.

As the most prolific batsmen in both Tests and ODI's I think he has a fair call at being second or third best behind Bradman.

For what its worth, I dont think Warne is overated in CW either. Most craftiest bowler I've ever seen. Obviously not better than Bradman, but still among the best spinners to play the game.

 

[ankitj]

I know there are many out there who think Tendulkar is the greatest thing to have happened to cricket. I have myself argued long hours with friends who think Bradman averages 100 because he was playing **** bowlers.

But again, the topic is about CW posters. And the regulars at CW have no illusions regarding Tendulkar's status with respect to Bradman or Sobers.

 

[smash84]

I know there are many out their who think Tendulkar is the greatest thing to have happened to cricket. I have myself argued long hours with friends who think Bradman has averages 100 because he was playing **** bowlers.

But again, the topic is about CW posters. And the regulars at CW have no illusions regarding Tendulkar's status with respect to Bradman or Sobers.

awta

 

[Blaze 18]

Ricky Ponting and Jacques Kallis.

 

[vcs]

Statsguru comparisons aren't in vogue lately, they've always been the CW way.

I'm not a stats guy but also not as stupidly anti-stats as some (I believe the numbers are important but shouldn't be used as the sole basis for an argument). I struggle with the concept of labelling a player overrated based purely off his numbers. I don't think you have to have watched a player to form an opinion but research should extend beyond filtering their averages if you want to declare widely held ATGs as overrated. Challenging the status quo is good but not without multiple layers of information backing up your opinion.

EDIT - Vcs, only the first sentence was a reply to you

Agreed (with all of it).

 

[Kylez]

Every cricket forum has their own ' Tendulkar fanatics ' but the biggest offender on this forum is now banned.

Back on topic, I feel that Sreesanth is deafinitely overrated by some members here on CW. Anderson is another one I feel that gets overrated occaisonally, mainly by English members.

 

[vcs]

See, exhibit A above.

Tendulkar may (debatable) be better than Sobers, Kallis, Ponting or Hammond, as some examples, as a batsman, but as a player he is not close.

Haha, he's not close to Ponting as a player? Really? Oh dear.

 

[Blaze 18]

Ishant Sharma (He's not a once-in-a-lifetime talent because he beat Ponting thrice, srsly)

Forget overrating, no-one even rates Ishant Sharma on here.

 

[abmk]

Haha, he's not close to Ponting as a player? Really? Oh dear.

 

[abmk]

Not in that sense, no. Putting my own bias aside, I can understand Warne being so high. Warne is a player that comes once every several life-times There are 2, at most 3, players in the history of the game that can even compare to him merely on his spin-bowling alone - let alone his slip fielding, leadership and influence on the game. Batsmen like Tendulkar appear every decade pretty much. His batting is amongst the best, after Bradman, but on it's own it is not enough for the kind of praise he receives. He was an all-time great bat and...?

I know we are talking about opinions on this forum but obviously opinions from elsewhere permeate through to here.

leadership ? excuse me ? how many tests/ODIs did he captain ?

slip fielding ? good fielder, so is sachin ..

You are pretty much ignorant on the the influence sachin has had on cricket and pretty much almost everything else regarding him I should say

 

[Ikki]

Haha, he's not close to Ponting as a player? Really? Oh dear.

Ponting: Captaincy, Batting, Fielding.
Tendulkar: Batting.

Did I miss something? Ponting is a record breaker and a success in 3 separate instances, Tendulkar one. So how are they equal as players when it's debatable that even in the thing Tendulkar is great at that he is better than Ponting?

leadership ? excuse me ? how many tests/ODIs did he captain ?

slip fielding ? good fielder, so is sachin ..

You are pretty much ignorant on the the influence sachin has had on cricket and pretty much almost everything else regarding him I should say

Warne is one of the best slip fielders of all-time. Tendulkar is what? Merely good?

Really...what influence did Sachin have on the rest of cricket? Were there a shortage of quality batsmen before he joined? Do you think an Aussie kid is looking to be the next Tendulkar or Chappell, Ponting, Waugh, Border etc?

 

[Blaze 18]

The only over-the-top Tendulkar love I have seen over here is from :

1) A dude who seemingly signed up to post "Sachin is God and cricket is my religion" or something to that effect.

2) The dude who posted that thread about Tendulkar's haircut.

Nothing else worth mentioning, really. Ponting and Kallis are by far the most overrated here in my view.