Players with misleading averages....

[vcs]

Samaraweera must be a ridiculously talented cricketer to make that switch so easily at this level.

 

[Burgey]

You cant' really have a misleading average. The number is what it is - runs/ wicket or runs/ outs. It's the context of the average, or what people choose to make of the average, that can mislead.

 

[ankitj]

you cant' really have a misleading average. The number is what it is - runs/ wicket or runs/ outs. It's the context of the average, or what people choose to make of the average, that can mislead.

+1

 

[Migara]

I see these SC batsmen as definitely better than sanga as of now:

sachin,dravid,sunny,miandad,inzy .. He could probably surpass miandad and inzy, but not the other 3 IMO

you could make good cases for laxman and sehwag being better than sanga as well

Be my guest. But KP is below all of them.

 

[Migara]

This is a joke, right ?

Not as a joke as a cerian poster who claims Miandad and Inzamam were better than Sangakkara. BTW it was not you who were claiming so?

 

[ankitj]

In '00s, batting average of 50 became the new 40 world over, except for English batsmen who have steadfastly stuck to 40's It's surprising really that none of them could maintain an average of 50+ in this run fest decade!

 

[abmk]

Not as a joke as a cerian poster who claims Miandad and Inzamam were better than Sangakkara. BTW it was not you who were claiming so?

yeah, 40 wickets in 5 tests @ an average of 19 and S/R of 37 is not peak performance . Did you even see that Ashes ?

and yeah mcgrath was rubbish in that series ,at lords in particular, oh wait !

 

[abmk]

players whose averages seem to suggest they are better than they actually were/are :

sangakkara
samaraweera
gambhir
yousuf
johnson
barrington
kallis


players whose averages don't do full justice to how good they were/are:

flintoff
vishwanath
inzamam
mark waugh
thorpe
laxman
kapil
cairns
saqlain
boycott
neil harvey

 

[Migara]

yeah, 40 wickets in 5 tests @ an average of 19 and S/R of 37 is not peak performance . Did you even see that Ashes ?

and yeah mcgrath was rubbish in that series ,at lords in particular, oh wait !

Against England? LMAO!

 

[Migara]

flintoff - Only good for two seasons. Otherwise ordinary.
vishwanath - Agree. But was a softcock. Never weathered storms despite have indecent amount of talent.
inzamam - Records in AUS, SAF speaks about it.
mark waugh - Reduced to rubble in spin playing conditions. Just check his record in SL.
thorpe - Good, but not great
laxman - In consistent, and hence shown in the average
kapil - lacked intent in his batting despite having talent. So accordingly has an ordinary average
cairns - Was only good for 5 - 6 years. Other times was struggling with injuries. Hence cannot be considered a ATG.
saqlain - CW myth. Never had anything to comeback when his doosra was found out.

 

[abmk]

Against England? LMAO!

that was highly descriptive ! Try again, though.

KP was the only one who stood up with mcgrath absolutely on fire at Lords. Then of course haddin happened , which reduced mcgrath's effectiveness for the other 2 tests he played, esp @ manchester. Then of course he walks in with mcgrath on a hat-trick in the final test, with England needing to save the test and does it

 

[Migara]

that was highly descriptive ! Try again, though.

KP was the only one who stood up with mcgrath absolutely on fire at Lords. Then of course haddin happened , which reduced mcgrath's effectiveness for the other 2 tests he played, esp @ manchester. Then of course he walks in with mcgrath on a hat-trick in the final test, with England needing to save the test and does it

That is descriptive enough. 40 wickets in 8 matches against England is no big deal for a legendary spinner. 20 wickets in 3 test matches at 25 against India would have been a better bet.
Then why that "exceptional" player could not stand up to "ordinary" NZ attack?

 

[abmk]

That is descriptive enough. 40 wickets in 8 matches against England is no big deal for a legendary spinner. 20 wickets in 3 test matches at 25 against India would have been a better bet.

40 wickets in FIVE matches in that Ashes, yes FIVE

Then why that "exceptional" player could not stand up to "ordinary" NZ attack?

form ? He didn't do that badly vs NZ btw. Averages nearly 45 in both the series he played against them

 

[Spark]

It is quite extraordinary the lengths people are willing to go to to make their arguments stick.

Saying the Ashes is an 8 test match series must surely be one of the longest.

 

[ankitj]

Check out Inzamam's ODI bowling average. Quite misleading, I say. And SR is almost sensational

 

[Spark]

Clarke's bowling average after four tests is worse. As in, more extreme.

 

[vcs]

It is quite extraordinary the lengths people are willing to go to to make their arguments stick.

Saying the Ashes is an 8 test match series must surely be one of the longest.

Haha, it's hilarious really.

If you can't talk down the player's achievements, denigrate the opposition he faced. If you can't do that either, rubbish the opposition faced by said opposition. And so on, ad infinitum. In the end, you end up with the simple conclusion that every professional cricketer that's ever played the game is worthless.

 

[Spark]

TumTum's sig had a pretty good checklist.

And Burgey, of course, ranted once to general amusement

 

[vcs]

Check out Inzamam's ODI bowling average. Quite misleading, I say. And SR is almost sensational

Inzamam bowled an over against India in an ODI sometime in the 90s. Was pretty similar to this.

 

[abmk]

vishwanath - Agree. But was a softcock. Never weathered storms despite have indecent amount of talent.

au contraire , he played very well when the chips were down . Just didn't capitalise too much when the going was easy, even more so than laxman

inzamam - Records in AUS, SAF speaks about it.

so does sanga's records in Ind,Eng,SA,WI

mark waugh - Reduced to rubble in spin playing conditions. Just check his record in SL.

pretty bad record yeah. but 8 of the 12 times in SL , was dismissed by pacers. Did fairly well in India .. Should've been closer to averaging 45 IMO

thorpe - Good, but not great

not great, but very good, perhaps should be averaging closer to 50

laxman - In consistent, and hence shown in the average

LOL, hell no. More the inability to convert 50s into 100s . Doesn't make that much hay while the sun shines

ikapil - lacked intent in his batting despite having talent. So accordingly has an ordinary average

true, but I was referring more to his bowling

cairns - Was only good for 5 - 6 years. Other times was struggling with injuries. Hence cannot be considered a ATG.

not an ATG, but better than what his average suggests

saqlain - CW myth. Never had anything to comeback when his doosra was found out.

not really. Just dumb handling from Pak selectors