Players with misleading averages....

[abmk]

It is quite extraordinary the lengths people are willing to go to to make their arguments stick.

Saying the Ashes is an 8 test match series must surely be one of the longest.

Indeed

 

[Howe_zat]

au contraire , he played very well when the chips were down . Just didn't capitalise too much when the going was easy, even more so than laxman

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so does sanga's records in Ind,Eng,SA,WI

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pretty bad record yeah. but 8 of the 12 times in SL , was dismissed by pacers. Did fairly well in India .. Should've been closer to averaging 45 IMO

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not great, but very good, perhaps should be averaging closer to 50

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LOL, hell no. More the inability to convert 50s into 100s . Doesn't make that much hay while the sun shines

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true, but I was referring more to his bowling

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not an ATG, but better than what his average suggests

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not really. Just dumb handling from Pak selectors

Take him DOWN!!

 

[abmk]

flintoff - Only good for two seasons. Otherwise ordinary.

A career of three parts IMO,

first part, not yet that ready for test cricket. Pretty ordinary

second part - excellent

third part: due to injuries ordinary, but excellent in patches

 

[Mike5181]

Just to name a few

Cairns, Pollock, Watson, Kallis > Flintoff

 

[Howe_zat]

Just to name a few

Cairns, Pollock, Watson, Kallis > Flintoff

Get out.

 

[Spark]

Misleadingly high or low? (As in reflection of ability)

I definitely think that you have to more or less ignore everything before he started opening.

 

[stephen]

Misleadingly high or low? (As in reflection of ability)

I definitely think that you have to more or less ignore everything before he started opening.

19 tests, 36 innings, 2 N/O, average of 49.88 even though he only has two hundreds to his name (though he has 14 50s). That's phenomenally consistent and consistently frustrating.

 

[smash84]

Check out Inzamam's ODI bowling average. Quite misleading, I say. And SR is almost sensational

IIRC one of his 3 wickets out of those 60 deliveries that he bowled in all his ODI career was Brain Lara. Got Lara out in his first over ever in intl cricket

 

[GIMH]

Watson a better bat than Fred (different roles I suppose) but Fred far superior as a Test bowler and all-rounder as Watson is more of a part-time bowler whereas Flintoff was leader of his attack.

 

[hang on]

off the top of my head, i think that the following batsmen have misleading (inflated stats):

samaraweera
yousuf
sehwag
sangakkara
younis
jayawardene
hayden


and, i think that the following have slightly deflated stats:
gavaskar
richards

 

[Migara]

so does sanga's records in Ind,Eng,SA,WI

Averaged more than Sachin until recent tour in SAF. And we are looking at an average of 39. Every other place it is 30+. So in a nutshell, equal records. Still it doesn't make KP > Sanga.

true, but I was referring more to his bowling

Agreed. But his stats are perfectly Ok for a SC pacer.

not really. Just dumb handling from Pak selectors

Part of the problem was dumb handling. But was sorted out and lacked second line of defence.

 

[abmk]

Averaged more than Sachin until recent tour in SAF. And we are looking at an average of 39. Every other place it is 30+. So in a nutshell, equal records. Still it doesn't make KP > Sanga.

sachin's avg in SA was slightly higher ... Anyways just one century in those 4 countries for sanga ( five if you count bangla ! ) doesn't make for pretty reading !

regarding comparison with KP, I'd say sanga is slightly ahead as of now, but I think KP is the more talented batsman.We'll see what happens in the future ...

Agreed. But his stats are perfectly Ok for a SC pacer.

slightly worse than they should be.. should've been closer to 27/28 than 30 IMO ..

Part of the problem was dumb handling. But was sorted out and lacked second line of defence.

disagree, he still had the ability to vary the flight and deceive batsmen , even with batsmen reading his doosra better

 

[vcs]

Sanga is clearly ahead of KP at this point. KP hasn't delivered nearly as much as he promised early on.

 

[Blaze 18]

I'd have Pietersen over Sangakkara, only just.

 

[Jarquis]

Sangakkara and it's not close

 

[Teja.]

FMD, People are comparing Pieterson to Sangakkara?

Sanga has been close to godly for the last few years. I've never seen a batsman with that much of an un-dismissable aura about him. Great player. Definetly in my top 5 favourite batsman ever.

 

[GIMH]

Yeah, KP has a lot of work to do if he is to fulfill his potential. I think time is on his side but it's hard to say.

 

[Blaze 18]

I agree that they aren't comparable on current form. I'd also agree that Pietersen hasn't done justice to his potential, but let us not pretend that there is some huge gulf between them when it comes to overall careers.

 

[Jacknife]

I agree that they aren't comparable on current form. I'd also agree that Pietersen hasn't done justice to his potential, but let us not pretend that there is some huge gulf between them when it comes to overall careers.

If both were in top form, then no doubt I'd have KP, current form easily Sanga, but I fancy KP to build on what he did in the Ashes this year.This past year he's averaged 50, so he's getting back to something like form, but still a way to go.

 

[Jacknife]

A career of three parts IMO,

first part, not yet that ready for test cricket. Pretty ordinary

second part - excellent

third part: due to injuries ordinary, but excellent in patches

I'd say even in the third part of his career, as you put it, Flintoff very rarely bowled poor and most of the time very good, it was his batting that struggled, when England started to depend on him more and more to lead the attack.