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[GotSpin]

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Have you actually seens Kallis' home record?

See above.

 

[Mike5181]

If they're giving MOTM awards for individual records, they should have just given it to Sachin then tbh

good point actually.

 

[Rant0r]

I was tempted to put that actually, but I thought I'd get fan boy swamped

Oh don't even...

But we are supposed to be a **** attack and they are supposed to be the best in the world bar none...

Yeah, and ? India just lost by an Innings and something... I suddenly feel vindicated.

 

[Mike5181]

See above.

It will be around Bradman's average + Tendulkar's average /2

 

[Jono]

wat

Have you actually seens Kallis' home record?

Yeah but he's never faced SA bowlers.

He averages 35.66 against Australia in South Africa.

 

[Furball]

Yeah but he's never faced SA bowlers.

He averages 35.66 against Australia in South Africa.

Check how his team-mates have done in home conditions.

 

[Jono]

Check how his team-mates have done in home conditions.

I didn't realise it was Kallis vs. Graeme Smith and AB Devilliers.

Kallis is a run machine, especially at home. But his home record needs to be put into perspective.

Whenever Sachin has come to SA he's faced Donald, Pollock and Steyn. That's it. He doesn't get India's fast bowlers for a decade, nor Sri Lanka's etc.

 

[Prince EWS]

I didn't realise it was Kallis vs. Graeme Smith and AB Devilliers.

Kallis is a run machine, especially at home. But his home record needs to be put into perspective.

Whenever Sachin has come to SA he's faced Donald, Pollock and Steyn. That's it. He doesn't get India's fast bowlers for a decade, nor Sri Lanka's etc.

I agree that it's not as straightforward as looking at their records in South Africa, but I'd still take Kallis ahead of Tendulkar in South Africa every time, even just on batting alone.

 

[Jono]

Kallis' record vs. Australia at home is incredibly questionable. In fact, it's poor. There is no guarantee at all that he'd have done better vs. Donald and Pollock, or even Steyn and Morkel. He'd have around a 35-40 average, which is what Sachin has.

If Sachin faced SL, Pak, Eng, NZ and WI attacks on South African soil he wouldn't just be averaging 40. His record wouldn't be too dissimilar to Kallis' current record.

 

[honestbharani]

I didn't realise it was Kallis vs. Graeme Smith and AB Devilliers.

Kallis is a run machine, especially at home. But his home record needs to be put into perspective.

Whenever Sachin has come to SA he's faced Donald, Pollock and Steyn. That's it. He doesn't get India's fast bowlers for a decade, nor Sri Lanka's etc.

Something people always miss, don't they? Imagine Lara Vs that Windies attack or Sachin against this Indian attack.... And to be fair to Kallis, some of the RSA attacks before Steyn were just as bad with Pollock on the decline...

 

[Jono]

Indeed. People over-complicate cricket a lot, but when they talk about home and away records, they over-simplify it so much, without analysing it properly.

Sachin's 111 was already better than Kallis' 200 (yet one has received criticism and the other massive praise, when both should just be cherished really). I can only imagine what Sachin would have done to Raina He would have loved to have feasted on Raina (and his own bowling lol) for around a session like Kallis and AB Devilliers did.

 

[Furball]

I didn't realise it was Kallis vs. Graeme Smith and AB Devilliers.

Kallis is a run machine, especially at home. But his home record needs to be put into perspective.

Whenever Sachin has come to SA he's faced Donald, Pollock and Steyn. That's it. He doesn't get India's fast bowlers for a decade, nor Sri Lanka's etc.

I take your point about Kallis not facing his own bowlers at home, but when every other South African batsman who's made a good number of runs struggles to average over 45, the fact that Kallis has averaged over 58 in South Africa is a very note-worthy achievement.

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[Rant0r]

Kallis' record vs. Australia at home is incredibly questionable. In fact, it's poor. There is no guarantee at all that he'd have done better vs. Donald and Pollock, or even Steyn and Morkel. He'd have around a 35-40 average, which is what Sachin has.

If Sachin faced SL, Pak, Eng, NZ and WI attacks on South African soil he wouldn't just be averaging 40. His record wouldn't be too dissimilar to Kallis' current record.

I agree to a point, to be fair to Kallis, Australia were the best team in the world for the majority of his career, like the West Indies of the 80's most of the world's top players career averages take a hit against them. From that point of view Kallis is probably no orphan there, and in fact his average against them is probably respectable when you look at it that way. Tendulkar aside

 

[Jono]

It is extremely noteworthy. Of course it is.

But the fact is AB Devilliers, Graeme Smith, Ashwell Prince, Darryl Cullinan and Herschelle Gibbs are all not even in the same league as Sachin Tendulkar.

 

[Prince EWS]

It is extremely noteworthy. Of course it is.

But the fact is AB Devilliers, Graeme Smith, Ashwell Prince, Darryl Cullinan and Herschelle Gibbs are all not even in the same league as Sachin Tendulkar.

Kallis isn't in Tendulkar's league either though.












He's in the league above.

 

[Jono]

I agree to a point, to be fair to Kallis, Australia were the best team in the world for the majority of his career, like the West Indies of the 80's most of the world's top players career averages take a hit against them. From that point of view Kallis is probably no orphan there, and in fact his average against them is probably respectable when you look at it that way. Tendulkar aside

Yeah sure, and that's why Kallis is an all-time great batsman.

But his average against Australia, whether it be all together, and just at home and just away, is so far below what Sachin averages, whether it be at home, or away, or overall, that there is something to it.

Sachin was obviously better vs. Warne, but he's also just a better player of pace bowling.

 

[Rant0r]

I take your point about Kallis not facing his own bowlers at home, but when every other South African batsman who's made a good number of runs struggles to average over 45, the fact that Kallis has averaged over 58 in South Africa is a very note-worthy achievement.

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

Yes and No, one would expect that players should be familiar with home conditions. 58 is a pretty decent average though by anyones measure of success

 

[Prince EWS]

Yes and No, one would expect that players should be familiar with home conditions.

Doesn't happen that way very often with South Africans though. Many of them actually average more away than they do at home.

 

[Mike5181]

It is extremely noteworthy. Of course it is.

But the fact is AB Devilliers, Graeme Smith, Ashwell Prince, Darryl Cullinan and Herschelle Gibbs are all not even in the same league as Sachin Tendulkar.

Yeah but tbh there won't be many batsmen that will be able to experience 21 years of international cricket.

 

[Furball]

Yes and No, one would expect that players should be familiar with home conditions. 58 is a pretty decent average though by anyones measure of success

Well yes, but when all South African batsmen are averaging between 35 and 47, it suggests that run scoring, even for home batsmen, is more difficult in South Africa, so for one guy to average over 58 in the same conditions is pretty special.

Ponting and Tendulkar have stellar home records as well, but neither of them stands above their team mates as much as Kallis does in that regard.