Best ever ODI batsman

[0RI0N]

The ayatollah,
the destroyah of bowlahs...
Alexander Richards

all day...everyday.

 

[Migara]

What I acutually feet is that Bevan is overrated. He played 232 matches and score at 54 in SR of 74. MS Shoni in 172 matches scored @ 50.3 at 88. Hussey in 150 matches scored 52 @ 88. This shows averaging 50 in no 7 position is not a unique feat for Bevan. Even after adjusting for the era SRs, Hussey and Dhoni are infront to Bevan with SRs. But these two are never mentioned in the same breath with bevan. Hussey and Dhoni has taken their countries to many improbable victories as well. And most importantly, these two play the short ball well, and has absolutely no weak points when it comes to hitting mode.

 

[Migara]

That only a exaggeration of the basic trend. On average batsmen tend to score less quickly in the 2nd innings. The SR's post 1995 are 75 and 72 for batting 1st and second. I'd love to see whether your hypothesis is correct. Whether Bevan's SR increases in direct proportion to the chasing total. But my 2 cents is that it would hit the plateau much quicker than many of the great batsmen.

Bevan only played slower when chasing. He scored at exactly the right speed to win the match. When we were setting a score, his SR was 80.

That's a ;ame excuse because it is the trend in every #6/7 batsman. For example Dhoni's 1 st innings SR is 92, 2nd innings SR is 84. According to your assumption Dhoni's SR should be regarded as 92. And for A Ranatunga (a renowned game finisher), 1st innings 81 second innings 76.

Even if you take the global trend for No 6/7 batsmen, (post 1992), 78.64 & 71.9

So Bevan is not special at all in this regard. Most #6/7 batsmen knew that, and most of them have higher 1st innings SRs. Still a SR of 80 from Bevan in 1st innings is nothing extra ordinary.

 

[Prince EWS]

Bevan only played slower when chasing. He scored at exactly the right speed to win the match. When we were setting a score, his SR was 80.

Yeah, I already made that point. I knew you'd back it up though.

 

[GotSpin]

Just say Bevan is Australian and therefore overrated so we can get onto other topics. Bout to put a fork in my eye

 

[Shri]

For me a great ODI player should have contributed to victories for his side from various positions in the line up, shows that he can handle different sort of scenarios. Dhoni for example has won games batting aggressively at the top order to set up and chase victories(183* while chasing against SL, 148 against Pak batting first at a ridiculous SR), he has also guided tricky chases from the middle order and has been a finisher at times coming in to slog after the 40th over. Even SrT can not boast of ODI things that Dhoni has done. Easily the best ODI player of the decade imo.

 

[kingpin]

For me a great ODI player should have contributed to victories for his side from various positions in the line up, shows that he can handle different sort of scenarios. Dhoni for example has won games batting aggressively at the top order to set up and chase victories(183* while chasing against SL, 148 against Pak batting first at a ridiculous SR), he has also guided tricky chases from the middle order and has been a finisher at times coming in to slog after the 40th over. Even SrT can not boast of ODI things that Dhoni has done. Easily the best ODI player of the decade imo.

AWTA....and he have worst technique of all and still manages to pile runs and win matches... we clearly missed dhoni in 1st ODI against NZ he manages singles and can hit brutally during that powerplay..........

 

[ankitj]

Just say Bevan is Australian and therefore overrated so we can get onto other topics. Bout to put a fork in my eye

LOL. Think many here feel the same way at criticisms hurled at Sehwag and other subcontinent batsmen. It cuts both ways, mate.

 

[GotSpin]

LOL. Think many here feel the same way at criticisms hurled at Sehwag and other subcontinent batsmen. It cuts both ways, mate.

No there's just a particular poster that goes out of his way to attack any Australian players.

 

[gwo]

?aragim

 

[Migara]

Just say Bevan is Australian and therefore overrated so we can get onto other topics. Bout to put a fork in my eye

Hussey is alien?

 

[Blaze 18]

I voted for Brian Lara. He deserves more votes, to be honest. Precious few batsmen were as destructive as Brian Lara in full cry.

 

[Teja.]

If Dhoni would do between 2010 and 2015 what he did between 2005 and 2010, He'd be better than Bevan by a nice margin, for me. But as of right now it's too early in Dhoni career to call him better.

 

[Jono]

Also averages 49 as an opener over 323 matches.

Sachin in ODIs is truly phenomenal really.

 

[Migara]

If Dhoni would do between 2010 and 2015 what he did between 2005 and 2010, He'd be better than Bevan by a nice margin, for me. But as of right now it's too early in Dhoni career to call him better.

It's only a matter of 30 - 40 more matches and their numbers will become close. If Dhoni can go up to 230 matches and maintain his Avg and SR, then he'll be a deadset better batsman that Bevan. ATM they are equal for me.

 

[vcs]

Sachin in ODIs is truly phenomenal really.

To think there was a time when I was frustrated that he couldn't get an ODI hundred under his belt...

 

[ankitj]

On the wisden's ranking of ODI batsmen, they were for sometime updating their all time rankings regularly (till they merged with cricinfo). And I remember that after the 2003 WC, Sachin had become no. 1 leaving Viv behind in those rankings. Pity that they aren't updating them anymore.

EDIT: And in rankings of individual innings, Ponting's 140* in 2003 WC final was placed at no. 2

 

[vcs]

Martyn's 80 odd from the same match a bit underrated, I feel. Remember he had outscored Ponting for his first 50, Ponting got to his 50 off 70-something deliveries.

 

[Prince EWS]

VCS thinks a Martyn innings was under-rated? Never!

 

[vcs]

VCS thinks a Martyn innings was under-rated? Never!

Haha, if ever fanboyism influences my views, it's probably in case of Martyn.