*Official* New Zealand in Bangladesh 2010

[Flem274*]

And of course you probably did not bother to see that Afridi in 2010 has an average of 37.76.

I guess Kyle Mills average of 26.83 might look good in the context of New Zealand's top order batting but it is still far far below Afridi's.

Fair enough, I'll conceed.

And of course you'd rather have Mills coming in with very few wickets and 40 runs to get. Which is why you will still lose 4-0 to Bangladesh. Possibly even Zimbabwe I should say.

Yeah you can have all the brains in the world but they won't stop you from getting thrashed 4-0 by the minnows unless you have any real talent.

Lolwut.

Mills, Taylor, McCullum on keeping alone, Vettori and Ryder would cruise into the current Pakistan team, not to mention Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. Just sayin'. Stop judging teams based on one series ffs.

As soon as we're safely home in our own conditions, our performances will improve immensely.

 

[TT Boy]

^ Mills has improved a lot over the last few years which isn't reflected in his stats. Afridi on the other hand seems to have been in decline.

There is no evidence to suggest that we're better than Zimbabwe really. We just lost 4-0 to Bangladesh and were thoroughly outplayed. Zimbabwe on the other hand are doing pretty decent vs South Africa in South Africa. SA are a much tougher side and yet the Zimbabwe batting has managed to post some pretty sizable totals. In spin friendly conditions their bowling will be a handfull. I honestly 100% believe Zimbabwe will perform better than we did. They will win at least 1 game. Bangladesh did play really well, but really we lost because of our own inept batting. We should be streets ahead of them.

NZ had better turn things around fast. They're a bit of a laughing stock at the moment.

Hasn’t Afridi hit 2 ODI centuries this year?

 

[Somerset]

Hasn’t Afridi hit 2 ODI centuries this year?

Yup thats right. Statistically a comment that hes in decline is simply not true - hes scored 491 runs @ 37.8 in ODIs this year, easily his best ODI average in a calendar year.

 

[Flem274*]

Not to mention his bowling average of 18.43 this year. **** he's awesome. Never gets the credit he deserves as an ODI player, IMO.

Indeed. Itz coz he duznt bowl farst lolz.

One of the very best ODI bowlers in the world, and a decent shout of making an NZ All Time ODI XI.

 

[smash84]

I agree with that comment. If you want Afridi to bat for your life you'd probably have a heart attack whilst hes doing it such is his approach, but as far as backing a batsman to belt a quickfire 30 or 40 I'd tend to go with Afridi over Mills. Thats not to say Mills is a poor lower order hitter - hes certainly provided crucial innings in NZ victories (3rd ODI: England v New Zealand at Bristol, Jun 21, 2008 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com and 1st ODI: Australia v New Zealand at Perth, Feb 1, 2009 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com for instance), its just I'd rate Afridi higher. Also worth keeping in mind that Mills has only ever passed 30 five times in more than 100 ODIs.

LOL.....I would tend to agree......:

Flem's a bit one-eyed when it comes to NZ. I used to blindly support them but after what they've just done I just have no argument. Afridi IMHO is a better batsman than Mills. Not saying he's good, but he has proven more.

As for "no brains" - it's obvious that the majority of our side has no brains - look at the shots we played. We don't play to the situation and showed no respect to the bowling. We needed 3 RPO yet the way we started we batted like we needed 8 an over. I'm all for positive play, but you can be patient and wait for bad balls rather than try hit good balls for six. It's too premeditated for my liking.

Yeah. I noticed that (his one eye for NZ cricket) in this thread.

I must say that after getting down quite badly (I think it was 20 for 5???) NZ did well to reach 171. However I so totally agree with you that they should have batted more responsibly. Quite unlike New Zealand IMO. They usually get undone by the opposition but in this series they have a lot to blame themselves too.

But hats off to Bangladesh too. They did play really well.

 

[_Ed_]

And the post below isn't????

I don't think so, no. Nowhere does he say that your team lacks "real talent".

FTR, I don't think Flem is one-eyed at all in terms of NZ. CD, on the other hand...

 

[smash84]

Fair enough, I'll conceed.



Lolwut.

Mills, Taylor, McCullum on keeping alone, Vettori and Ryder would cruise into the current Pakistan team, not to mention Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. Just sayin'. Stop judging teams based on one series ffs.

As soon as we're safely home in our own conditions, our performances will improve immensely.

Thank You

I am not judging teams based on one series. It was actually some pretty outlandish comments about Pakistan cricket that made me jump in with passing a few crude remarks.

And Pakistan cricket has had more than its fair share of troubles (in line with the prevalent conditions in the country) and considering all those Pakistan is not at all a bad team. With Asif, Amir, and Butt back (I know its wishful thinking and only saying hypothetically) Pakistan probably have the best bowling attack in the world. With Younis and Yousuf firing and Butt at the top and some of the new youngsters coming in you have a decent team. Good enough to challenge any side in the world.

 

[Flem274*]

Flem's a bit one-eyed when it comes to NZ.

I think Bangladesh comprehensively outplayed us and were by far the better team. How is that one eyed?

The difference is I'm not turning this series into a soap opera like you are. Just because I think NZ are still perfectly fine outside the subcontinent, it does not make me one eyed.

I used to blindly support them.

You're the worst kind of supporter there is itbt. You're pumping NZ when they win but when they lose you're a screaming brat.

Athlai's sig says it all.

Anyway, a few comments:

1) New Zealand is still a fine ODI side outside the subcontinent. One loss to a "minnow" does not a poor side make. For the past year we've been perfectly fine and before that better. These are much the same players who made the Champions Trophy final.

2) Bangladesh would be very dangerous against all non-subcontinental sides at home and probably Pakistan as well unless they sort their batting out. Shakib al Hasan is likely to be an ODI all time great allrounder when he retires.

3) Afridi is a better ODI batsman than Mills. I conceed that point.

 

[smash84]

I don't think so, no. Nowhere does he say that your team lacks "real talent".

FTR, I don't think Flem is one-eyed at all in terms of NZ. CD, on the other hand...

yes but he implies that my team lacks brains (although I might agree somewhat : but it is not something polite).

 

[Flem274*]

Thank You

I am not judging teams based on one series. It was actually some pretty outlandish comments about Pakistan cricket that made me jump in with passing a few crude remarks.

And Pakistan cricket has had more than its fair share of troubles (in line with the prevalent conditions in the country) and considering all those Pakistan is not at all a bad team. With Asif, Amir, and Butt back (I know its wishful thinking and only saying hypothetically) Pakistan probably have the best bowling attack in the world. With Younis and Yousuf firing and Butt at the top and some of the new youngsters coming in you have a decent team. Good enough to challenge any side in the world.

Yeah, but I don't think those guys will ever be back. No sympathy for the cheaters but YK has been treated disgracefully and MoYo needs to get his **** together for his team.

At least there's still Umar Gul. I love watching him bowl and he's probably the most underrated bowler in Pakistan given all the "amazing talents" who have tried and failed with the ball in his career. A real chance for him now to lead the attack. Hopefully he can get his test record better to match his fine ODI one.

 

[Flem274*]

yes but he implies that my team lacks brains (although I might agree somewhat : but it is not something polite).

Just Afridi tbh.

Though sometimes they do make me wonder.

Fawad Alam is an absolute gun though. Keep him around.

 

[Flem274*]

CD, on the other hand...

CD with Ross Taylor returned to his rightful place (**** off Bangalore)>>>>>>NZ at cricket.

 

[irottev]

You're the worst kind of supporter there is itbt. You're pumping NZ when they win but when they lose you're a screaming brat.

I'd never encountered you until a few months ago. Since then we haven't won anything. Dunno how you can know I "pump NZ when they win". Performance matters to me, not the result. I'd be equally as scathing had we won. Our performance was still poor this series. I also don't usually rant so much after losses - I usually stick up for the team - people who know me can confirm.

I'm not a screaming brat either. A lot of what I say is a joke - it's the internet, i'm anonymous. I can troll. At the end of the day though, we performed poorly. You can say we're good at home and that's well and good, but if we want to be a top ODI side, we need to adapt to conditions and play well in every country. I want answers as to why we found it so hard. Poor preparation seems to be a big thing. The tactics also couldn't have been worse. I believe every single game we lost at least 1 early wicket - our best start I think was 55/1 and from there we collapsed. When a collapse starts it's down to an experienced player to settle down and try and steady the ship for a few overs. Instead - in that game especially - 2 players holed out playing shots totally inappropriate to the situation,

The media comments before the series is what sets this apart though. Vettori saying stuff like NZ will win 5-0, Shakib's the only player to worry about, etc Well Bangladesh made him look like a fool. His comments were arrogant and we deserved what we got. That is NOT a way to lead a side. This is what has me torn.

I hope we learn from this. I really do. We've hit rock bottom and one positive is that we can only go up from here.

Oh, and about Pakistan. Losing to Ireland is probably as bad as being clean swept away by Bangladesh IMO

 

[Flem274*]

it's the internet, i'm anonymous. I can troll.

Nah, ya can't.

And you're never as anonymous as you think.

At the end of the day though, we performed poorly. You can say we're good at home and that's well and good, but if we want to be a top ODI side, we need to adapt to conditions and play well in every country. I want answers as to why we found it so hard. Poor preparation seems to be a big thing. The tactics also couldn't have been worse. I believe every single game we lost at least 1 early wicket - our best start I think was 55/1 and from there we collapsed. When a collapse starts it's down to an experienced player to settle down and try and steady the ship for a few overs. Instead - in that game especially - 2 players holed out playing shots totally inappropriate to the situation,

I hope we learn from this. I really do. We've hit rock bottom and one positive is that we can only go up from here.

See, I can agree with this and even if I didn't they're fair enough comments. Why can't you post this stuff more often rather than making silly emo threads?

 

[irottev]

Another thing that makes it hard to take is that, these were arguably the best conditions for batting and the fairest pitches we've played on for some time in Bangladesh. Last time I remember them being all wet and sticky and horrible.

 

[Bahnz]

The media comments before the series is what sets this apart though. Vettori saying stuff like NZ will win 5-0, Shakib's the only player to worry about, etc Well Bangladesh made him look like a fool. His comments were arrogant and we deserved what we got. That is NOT a way to lead a side. This is what has me torn.

DWTA. As I've already said, Bangladesh were having a pretty ordinary year, even by their standards, prior to this series. Throw in the absence of Tamim, and any reasonable cricket follower would've predicted the same. And Vettori didn't say Shakib was the only player to worry about, he said that he was the key to Bangladesh's performances, which is absolutely right considering he topped the wickets and run charts and was absolutely crucial to Bangladesh' victories in the first, third and fourth ODI's. Really don't think there was anything presumptious or arrogant about what he said in the leadup to the series.

Can't deny that Bangladesh made him and the entire side look like fool's though.

 

[Howsie]

I think I might have posted this before the series because they were rather surprising comments by Vettori but...

"We have seen the Bangladesh team improve", Vettori said. "Obviously Shakib is probably their best player, so if we can nullify him we know we are going to win. He is a very good player, he has proven himself particularly in these conditions, so he is probably their main player."

We are confident as we have got some very good players, particularly our batting line-up with [Jesse] Ryder, [Brendon] McCullum and [Ross] Taylor at the top, [and there are] a lot of expectations on us. We are looking forward to winning the series."

NZ tour of Bangladesh: Shakib Al Hasan will be the biggest threat - Daniel Vettori | Cricket News | Bangladesh v New Zealand | Cricinfo.com

 

[Flem274*]

I don't think Vettori's comments are that bad tbh. Before the series it was nice seeing an NZ captain stating his desire for the win and leaving out the usual cliches captains spout. At least it was honest.

Compared with Glenn McGrath predicting clean sweeps every series he played they're pretty tame.

Vettori has egg on his face now, and he thoroughly deserves it, but his comments were refreshing at the time.

And he did give Bangladesh credit after their wins, which is more than John "NZ played crap, Bangladesh haven't improved" Morrison can manage.

 

[Bahnz]

Again, don't see anything wrong with those statements. Had New Zealand nullified Shakib they would've won the series comfortably. They didn't, and epic fail ensued.

 

[Bahnz]

And he did give Bangladesh credit after their wins, which is more than John "NZ played crap, Bangladesh haven't improved" Morrison can manage.

While not in his exact words, I believe that Morrison is right.