*Official* Australia in India 2010

[Furball]

At least Ricky is fighting and trying to win for Australia unlike some folks who conveniently chose retirement and IPL when their country needed him the most. One of the most selfish cricketers to play for Australia.

Warne spent most of the 2006/07 Ashes a largely spent force, capable of providing the odd moment of match-turning magic such as at Adelaide in the 2nd innings (which completely overshadowed how inept Warne was in the first innings). He absolutely retired at the right time, the fact that he took a pay day to play in the IPL has nothing to do with anything.

 

[vcs]

What is?

The news, if true, that Aussie athletes were taking the defeat hard.

 

[aussie]

Warne spent most of the 2006/07 Ashes a largely spent force, capable of providing the odd moment of match-turning magic such as at Adelaide in the 2nd innings (which completely overshadowed how inept Warne was in the first innings). He absolutely retired at the right time, the fact that he took a pay day to play in the IPL has nothing to do with anything.

Nah Warne wasn't a spent force at all in the 06/07. England just batted well in that Adelaide innings. Still was bowling on the top of his game

IMO Warne certainly could played until he was 40 if he wanted to.

 

[aussie]

did u even watch the game? At times, Hauritz was bowling with two guys in the offside... Against a spinner and against batsmen with the sort of footwork the Indians have, that is suicide.. (or homicide of the spinner )

Two guys on the off-side?. No, he a deep point, deep extra-cover, a cover (sometimes) & a long-on. The Indian batsmen still pearced the field.

The argument was Ponting should have the cover fielders closer & i'm saying it still wouldn't have mattered since the Indian would have still hit him for boundaries. Thus Ponting would have revert back to those defensive fields.

 

[blahblahblah]

Nah Warne wasn't a spent force at all in the 06/07. England just batted well in that Adelaide innings. Still was bowling on the top of his game

IMO Warne certainly could played until he was 40 if he wanted to.

and he should have stayed


would have loved to see him play

 

[howardj]

I think Warney and an instant public interaction tool (twitter) just don't sometimes mix because he seems to be a pretty spur of the moment public speaker. However, I think what he thinks of Ponting is fairly valid, regardless of how Warne did against India. It's better than some optimist that blames random intangible factors.

Exactly mate.

As Rowers Roebuck said in the paper today, the fact is:

(a) this is not a team in transition, rather it's basically the same team that beat the number one side in the world (South Africa) in their own backyard just over a year ago. Simple fact is, we have gone backwards dramatically since then

and

(b) this is not a young team. Are North, Katich, Hauritz, Haddin, Hussey, Johnson etc all in their early 20s? It would be different if Ponting were ushering through a bunch of greenhorns like Hughes, Usman, Smith, Starc, Paine (on a regular basis) and George (on a regular basis).

So, when you're ranked 5th in the world, when you're not a young team, when you're not a team in transition, when you've just lost the Ashes to England (absent a fit Flintoff and Pietersen for most of the series), when you've just drawn with Pakistan, and when you're setting **** fields....guess what?

You have to cop cricket-related criticism from guys like Warne on the chin. Ponting is in no position to be stifling dissent, to be dismissing criticism.

Ponting is a great player, from all reports a decent guy, and a very proud person, but I do think he needs to face up to just where Australia is right now.

 

[AaronK]

The Ashes: Shane Warne offers Nathan Hauritz help | Cricket News | The Ashes 2010-11 | Cricinfo.com

"Murali, Daniel Vettori and myself and a lot of other spinners have been smashed in India at times. That is no disgrace at all. How Haury bounces back in Australia this summer is the key. In my opinion Steve Smith is still a long way short of being Australia's No.1 Test spinner."

As others have pointed out, I just don't think Warne thinks much of Ponting as a tactician

Saqalin Mushtaq is saying HI

if i recall playing in india against Sachin and co..he averaged something around 20 with the most wicket.. I think

just wanted to point out since i am big Saqalin fan..

 

[Flem274*]

Saqalin Mushtaq is saying HI

if i recall playing in india against Sachin and co..he averaged something around 20 with the most wicket.. I think

just wanted to point out since i am big Saqalin

AaronK's true identity is revealed!

 

[Kylez]

The news, if true, that Aussie athletes were taking the defeat hard.

How is the news pleasing? You have got some idiots throwing washing machines off buildings and vandalising things.

If the news is true, of course.

 

[AaronK]

AaronK's true identity is revealed!

hopefull not a ****** hah

just forgot to put fan there..

but he played two test matches and got 20 wickets.. ten wickets in each match

 

[Furball]

Exactly mate.

As Rowers Roebuck said in the paper today, the fact is:

(a) this is not a team in transition, rather it's basically the same team that beat the number one side in the world (South Africa) in their own backyard just over a year ago. Simple fact is, we have gone backwards dramatically since then

and

(b) this is not a young team. Are North, Katich, Hauritz, Haddin, Hussey, Johnson etc all in their early 20s? It would be different if Ponting were ushering through a bunch of greenhorns like Hughes, Usman, Smith, Starc, Paine (on a regular basis) and George (on a regular basis).

So, when you're ranked 5th in the world, when you're not a young team, when you're not a team in transition, when you've just lost the Ashes to England (absent a fit Flintoff and Pietersen for most of the series), when you've just drawn with Pakistan, and when you're setting **** fields....guess what?

You have to cop cricket-related criticism from guys like Warne on the chin. Ponting is in no position to be stifling dissent, to be dismissing criticism.

Ponting is a great player, from all reports a decent guy, and a very proud person, but I do think he needs to face up to just where Australia is right now.

The bowling line up was certainly in transition: when Mitchell Johnson, who at the time had played 18 Tests was the veteran leader of the bowling attack, it was most certainly a bowling line up in transition. However, their bowling hasn't been too bad in that transition phase.

What Australia do have, is an ageing batting lineup that is in serious decline, and there's elements in the line up that need replaced, and need replaced now. For all that Marcus North has been criticised, he's out performed Hussey comfortably since the start of that South Africa series. Hussey has averaged 35.48 in that period - and that's with 2 unbeaten tons. Ponting has averaged 42.85. They're numbers that simply aren't good enough for a team with pretensions of being number 1.

In the same period, Tendulkar averages 86, Sehwag 64, Sangakkara 71, Laxman 80, ABdV 64, Amla 56, Kallis 60, Ross Taylor averages 54 and Daniel Vettori averages 50. Australia have Katich and Watson who just sneak over the 50 mark. Even the much maligned, in terminal decline Rahul Dravid averages 57 in the last 18 or so months.

 

[GotSpin]

I think we've just passed through a bowling transition faze and IMO our pace attack is pretty good so I consider it as a success

However, the selectors have stubbornly refused to change our aging batting line up despite its numerous failures and that's been really letting us down.

 

[Sanz]

**** me dead mate. Warnie was 37 when he retired. Australia will always need Warnie on the park, but it doesn't mean he's obligated to play forever.

So what ? He was fit enough to play IPL. No he is not obligated to play forever but having toured India 5 times and having played against Indian batsmen in India, he is obligated to know the facts and not tweet bull****. It is easy to criticize Ponting but atleast he is in the middle giving his best performance in India while Warnie is tweeting BS.

As for being selfish? I think he was the ultimate team man, and certainly from what his teammates say, he was great to play with and be alongside in the trenches.

Ultimate team mates do not question their leader in the middle of a hard tour.

Nothing to blue about: Shane Warne | Herald Sun

 

[Athlai]

Ultimate team mates do not question their leader in the middle of a hard tour.

Nothing to blue about: Shane Warne | Herald Sun

Eh? They are no longer teammates.

 

[Sanz]

The Ashes: Shane Warne offers Nathan Hauritz help | Cricket News | The Ashes 2010-11 | Cricinfo.com

"Murali, Daniel Vettori and myself and a lot of other spinners have been smashed in India at times. That is no disgrace at all. How Haury bounces back in Australia this summer is the key. In my opinion Steve Smith is still a long way short of being Australia's No.1 Test spinner."

As others have pointed out, I just don't think Warne thinks much of Ponting as a tactician

Help should have come before India Trip, not after it. No use now.

 

[Sanz]

Eh? They are no longer teammates.

Did you even read it ?

Matthew Hayden's newly released biography, Standing My Ground, suggests Warne's questioning of Ponting's captaincy during the 2005 Ashes tour of England had polarised the team."Warnie's belligerent state of mind didn't help us. It polarised the team at a sensitive time," Hayden said.

 

[Ruckus]

I think we've just passed through a bowling transition faze and IMO our pace attack is pretty good so I consider it as a success

However, the selectors have stubbornly refused to change our aging batting line up despite its numerous failures and that's been really letting us down.

Maybe there is some hope?

"Anyone who is out of this squad at the moment, if they keep scoring runs and keep putting their hands up, we'll wait and see what happens when the selections come around for Brisbane," Ponting said.

Don't like to be cynical, but sounds like something I've heard a million times before to no avail...

 

[Athlai]

Did you even read it ?

Matthew Hayden's newly released biography, Standing My Ground, suggests Warne's questioning of Ponting's captaincy during the 2005 Ashes tour of England had polarised the team."Warnie's belligerent state of mind didn't help us. It polarised the team at a sensitive time," Hayden said.

Yep that single sentence changes everything clearly undermining Warne's role as a team player through having a "belligerent state of mind" as it "didn't help us" and that it "polarised the team".
That quote seems to indicate half the team agreed with Warne.

 

[Son Of Coco]

So what ? He was fit enough to play IPL.

So were the others who retired at the same time. Should they all have kept playing?

 

[Prince EWS]

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