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*Official* Australia in India 2010

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Prince EWS said:
He was actually talking about Australia. Was suggesting that the fact that all the batsmen made contributions but none of them made huge scores in the first innings meant there was going to be a second innings collapse as they'd all fail after contributing in the first.
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Didn't he say that India's 1st innings scorecard is a "good-looking" one because 2 batsmen got the bulk of the runs and the rest are due for the 2nd innings? Seems like a bit of a generalization/superstition whatever you want to call it. Maybe I misunderstood.
 
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vcs said:
Didn't he say that India's 1st innings scorecard is a "good-looking" one because 2 batsmen got the bulk of the runs and the rest are due for the 2nd innings? Seems like a bit of a generalization/superstition whatever you want to call it. Maybe I misunderstood.
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Yeah, he was comparing it to what happened to Australia (lots of contributions but only one ton and no huge scores) and saying it boded better for the second innings in general because of that. Just a weird theory IMO, but I promised I wouldn't harp on about it I'll STFU. :p
 
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DeusEx said:
Got some stats on Tendulkar for you:

If Tendulkar has scored 50 or more in the first innings of a test, he is 3 times more likely to not score well (<30) in the second innings of the test.

Now, lets assume most players follow the trend of Tendulkar, you have many players making good scores in the first innings, it is therefore more likely in the second innings there will be a collapse.
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Oh I didn't notice this. So there are the stats on Tendulkar backing up my intuition. Don't agree that it's a general trend though.
 
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Jono said:
I dunno man, you do complain about Cricket Chat a lot.

Anyway, it only became annoying when India started winning on that last day. Before that no one card.

Plus I'm not anti-jinxing now, bit of boy who cried wolf about my posts, but I believe Australia are in with a real shout.

Other than Sachin and Sehwag, what do we have? An out of form and near the end Dravid, noobish batsmen like Vijay, Raina, a mediocre test batsman in Dhoni and a debutant in Pujara.

The lack of Laxman and Gambhir is important, even if Vijay did bat well in the 1st dig.
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No Gambhir is no excuse. I'm no less confident with Vijay right now than I'd have been with Gambhir. No Laxman is another matter, but if we're good enough, we ought to find a way, even though it will be a handicap.
 
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Sachin in this form would have been a good bet to inch closer to that 100 century mark on a flat Indian ODI wicket, but oh well.
 
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Jono said:
Did Karthik have a bad series with the gloves against SL in SL?

I think I remember that happening.

Didn't get to watch any of that series live, which was shattering.
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Yep. Was mediocre with the bat as well, IIRC.
 
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vcs said:
Didn't he say that India's 1st innings scorecard is a "good-looking" one because 2 batsmen got the bulk of the runs and the rest are due for the 2nd innings? Seems like a bit of a generalization/superstition whatever you want to call it. Maybe I misunderstood.
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Yeh thats what I said. It seems pretty intuitive really. The batsmen who haven't scored won't be fatigued (mentally and physically) at all, and also will probably go into the second innings with a more determined mind set (because they are aware of the fact they let the team down in the first innings.)

I don't think its supertitious, I hate that kind of stuff (jinxing lol). It's just what I have noticed from many years of watching cricket, and I also backed it up with some stats of Tendulkar (who I'm sure wouldn't be much different in this respect to other batsman).
 
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Jono said:
See, I find this wrong because CC was way worse back in the day. Especially tour threads. India vs. Pakistan was god awful, and India vs. Australia 2007/8 was awful too.

People (including mods to an extent) complained about the debates between Burgey, Ikki, DeusEx, Prince and myself.

But we were debating cricket, and barring one outburst from Burgey, it was civil. Yet people seem to want us to stop that sort of posting.

It was a cricket discussion. Sure it may have gone on too long, but there is a lot worse on CC.
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Second this.

Even in this thread there was a mostly civil debate about whether or not winning the toss and batting first is an advantage in india, and additionally has Australia had that advantage in this particular series...etc.

Some expressed their opinion, and others expressed they disagreement to the same and explained the reasons.....few posts down the line we have people stating that the thread has become hostile and is taking a nose dive.

Come on...it is a cricket forum, and it is bound to have arguments on cricket.
 
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DeusEx said:
Yeh thats what I said. It seems pretty intuitive really. The batsmen who haven't scored won't be fatigued (mentally and physically) at all, and also will probably go into the second innings with a more determined mind set (because they are aware of the fact they let the team down in the first innings.)

I don't think its supertitious, I hate that kind of stuff (jinxing lol). It's just what I have noticed from many years of watching cricket, and I also backed it up with some stats of Tendulkar (who I'm sure wouldn't be much different in this respect to other batsman).
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No Tendulkar is different. He is the Chuck Norris of Indian cricket. He can do a n ything
 
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DeusEx said:
Yeh thats what I said. It seems pretty intuitive really. The batsmen who haven't scored won't be fatigued (mentally and physically) at all, and also will probably go into the second innings with a more determined mind set (because they are aware of the fact they let the team down in the first innings.)

I don't think its supertitious, I hate that kind of stuff (jinxing lol). It's just what I have noticed from many years of watching cricket, and I also backed it up with some stats of Tendulkar (who I'm sure wouldn't be much different in this respect to other batsman).
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Hmm.... probably. I wouldn't put too much stock in it though.
 
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About the pitch and how tough it is to bat on, it's the same story as any subcontinental wicket. Very tough when you've just come in, and looks flat and slow once you've done the hard work. You've only got to look at Ponting's innings, it looked like he was playing a different sport to everyone else once he'd got set. The key is for two set batsmen to carry on with it, because wickets can fall in a heap.
 
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North and Hussey - it's becoming a farce.

The selectors are afraid that any replacement may only average in the 30s and cost Australia series.

And yet they retain these two useless incumbents who are doing just that.
 
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