Nathan Hauritz's role in the Australian test side: Should he really be a fixture?

[Matt79]

Yes it doesn't fit my preconceptions. But those preconceptions isn't a biased POV or wasn't just something i woke up one morning & started suggest baselessly. Its backed up factually by historical evidence in test history, which as i've continously said in this thread in many different ways):

Doesn't matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make your opinion any less wrong. They are precisely a biased POV.

 

[aussie]

Doesn't matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make your opinion any less wrong. They are precisely a biased POV.

How could it baised or wrong. When it is backed up by historical evidence?.

I don't agree with the 4-man pace attack bit, but seriously Hauritz is ****. I just wanna repeat that bit very clearly. I don't really care if we have nobody better atm, he is ****ty **** ****.

HAA. Dont be so harsh on Haurry Tummy although your rant is justified.

Just to remind you also tum, AUS did win in SA 09 with basically an all-pace attack.

Aussie, I read your opening post.

DWTA.

Ok. Would like a detailed PEWS like respone why yout DWTA, if thats not too much to ask.

 

[Nate]

I'm twice the man that PEWS pretends to be!

 

[Prince EWS]

Haha he actually requested you make a Prince EWS-like post! Classic stuff. Don't know whether to be honoured or not.

 

[Nate]

 

[aussie]

The latest test should prove conclusively what i said @ the beginning of this thread. No doubts about Hauritz's ineffectiveness as a test match off-spinner should be around any longer hopefully.

 

[GIMH]

He's better than Swann tbh

 

[BoyBrumby]

Get the idea Punter doesn't fully trust him still or else why bowl North at the end of the test with everything to play for?

 

[outbreak]

Hauritz isn't terrible but he's inconsistent. The worry i have is that we should be giving someone else a chance to perform as a full time spinner in some of our games. Not drop Hauritz completely but we need to give someone a chance to be pushing at the spot.

 

[aussie]

Get the idea Punter doesn't fully trust him still or else why bowl North at the end of the test with everything to play for?

Ponting & the AUS selectors certainly in this test & baselessly for the past 2 years have put alot of trust in Hauritz.

Ponting started the day with Hauritz bowling, but after he proved to be totally ineffective intially againts the Tendy & Laxman, Ponting basically had no choice to hide him (although irritatingly he brought him near the end to bowl to Sharma) & bowl North with everything to play for.

 

[Top_Cat]

Wild guess but I'd suggest Hauritz will be lining up for the next Test.

 

[aussie]

Hauritz isn't terrible but he's inconsistent. The worry i have is that we should be giving someone else a chance to perform as a full time spinner in some of our games. Not drop Hauritz completely but we need to give someone a chance to be pushing at the spot.

No point picking trying to make a spinner learn his trade at the test level. That experiment has failed now clearly with Hauritz & he definately should be dropped completely. Preferably any spinner getting picked for AUS, has to be earn his spot by taking wickets in sheild cricket.

AUS should be playing an all-pace attack in basically all condtions since their isn't a spinner capable of bowling AUS to victory (by taking 5 wicket hauls fairly consistently againts good opposition on turners/wearing 4th or 5th day tracks). Although id say Krejza would have been more dangerous than Haurtiz in Mohali, given he already showed before in his two test that on a real turner he has the ability to get good batsmen out with magic deliveries, even though accuracy isn't his forte.

 

[aussie]

Wild guess but I'd suggest Hauritz will be lining up for the next Test.

Which would be a horrifically poor selection if it does happen & will play likely play a big part in AUS losing the second test. So hopefully sense prevails come saturday. I shall begin the fasting and prayers in the next hour.

 

[Flem274*]

This thread is a joke aussie.

Nathan Hauritz is a good bowler. He won't run through India or Sri Lanka in their home castles. Not many spinners can. Anywhere else in the world against other teams though he'll be a very good bowler and has been a very good bowler.

And if he's bowling to other sides on a turner, he's in business.

 

[sledger]

Would love to see how many spinners in the world would be a great deal more effective bowling to Tendulkar and Laxman in an away test on a similar pitch tbh.

 

[marc71178]

I'd love to know how many spinners there are in the world who consistently take 5 wicket hauls against good opposition.

 

[BoyBrumby]

I don't think anyone seriously expects Hauritz to run through teams like Warne or MacGill used to because he's not that type of bowler. However one might've expected a team's premier spinner to bowl more than 9 overs on a fifth day pitch in India. The ball wasn't exactly ragging square, but it was offering a little bit of turn.

As I said before it sorta points to his captain not fancying him all that much.

 

[Burgey]

Is that Nathan Hauritz on the left?

 

[aussie]

This thread is a joke aussie.

Nathan Hauritz is a good bowler. He won't run through India or Sri Lanka in their home castles. Not many spinners can. Anywhere else in the world against other teams though he'll be a very good bowler and has been a very good bowler.

And if he's bowling to other sides on a turner, he's in business.

No, unfortunately your comment is a joke.

Clearly you haven't been watching Hauritz bowl in his career to date.

He also struggled to bowl out your NZ side earlier this year on a wearing Wellington pitch, Windies twice last summer in AUS & in ENG in the Cardiff Ashes test. Add that to his struggles awful test in Mohali (sub continent) & he consistently failed to do the main job of test spinner worth any degree of credibilty as test bowler - wich is bowl his team to victory/take 5 wicket hauls on a turner/4th or 5th day wearing wicket againts solid/good/very good opposition.

Mnay decent/average spinners in recent times such a Boje, Giles, Paul Harris & Adams, Croft, Krejza, Benn for example have either gone to the sub-continent/bowl on wearing 5th day wickets worldwide & have bowled their sides to victory by taking 5 wicket hauls.

Hauritz has consistenly failed to do either, so no in his career to date he has never been in the buisness, theirfore he is blatantly not a good test match off-spin bowler. SMH..

 

[aussie]

Would love to see how many spinners in the world would be a great deal more effective bowling to Tendulkar and Laxman in an away test on a similar pitch tbh.

Ashley Giles.