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*Official* Australia in India 2010

Manee

Cricketer Of The Year
I support Kartik's inclusion, but he has always done well domestically, at least in OD cricket and has come up short in ODI cricket, though I do believe his last spell was a six wicket haul.

I recall that although he has been prolific in FC cricket for Somerset, Harbhajan was equally if not more prolific for Surrey. Even Chawla cleaned up in his few games for Sussex. Indian spinners find County cricket easy and so county performances must be taken with a pinch of salt.
 

Woodster

International Captain
Seems to have been a great day for Australia. Big boost both openers getting to three figures, and the following two batsmen settling in for a similar effort. Couldn't have gone much better. The option of Watson opening and North at 6, using his off-spin as an added weapon, seems to be their favoured approach.
 

Manee

Cricketer Of The Year
The Board President XI bowling attack is shocking. Yadav is in the team based on bowling 145kph in the IPL and one spell where he worked over Dravid and Laxman and topped at 141kph. He mainly plays in the Plate League which is a very low level. Unadkat's first FC match was in the A team tour of England. Yes, he took 14 wickets, but he had been picked based on a certain zip in his bowling from U19 WC and little more than that and obviously took his chance in his debut. Sreesanth has never been consistent in FC cricket or Test cricket, but I've said enough about him in the past. Ojha and Chawla are good, but Chawla has never been consistent bowling in India and Ojha will not run through teams on a Day One pitch.

Regarding the pace bowlers, it is the same folly of picking someone because they bowled at 140kph once. Unless someone is sending them down consistently at 150kph, you pick them on domestic performance in the specific form of the game, over a prolonged period of time and NOTHING ELSE.
 

Burgey

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Good start this. I wonder if we'll bat for two days or declare part wayv hrough today to give the bowlers s better hit out. They'll need it.
 

GotSpin

Hall of Fame Member
Despite the questionable quality of the Indian bowling, good to see the boys get the runs up. What happened to Katich though?

Think we should really give the bowlers an extended dig here.
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Despite the questionable quality of the Indian bowling, good to see the boys get the runs up. What happened to Katich though?
Katich retired to give others an opportunity to bat.

I believe that this Aussie top order is more equipped to handle spin than the last one. The current top order is more like the top order of 2004. Katich, Clarke, Hussey, Watson, Ponting is a pretty good top order against spin.

I think Australia have a pretty good chance of scoring Big runs in the series.
 

howardj

International Coach
Katich retired to give others an opportunity to bat.

I believe that this Aussie top order is more equipped to handle spin than the last one. The current top order is more like the top order of 2004. Katich, Clarke, Hussey, Watson, Ponting is a pretty good top order against spin.

I think Australia have a pretty good chance of scoring Big runs in the series.
Yep, it's a good order. However, there'll be plenty of pressure once the Test starts. Starting your innings cold against high class spinners, fieldsmen around the bat, guys chirping away....a real challenge.
 

Noble One

International Vice-Captain
Pretty good start to the tour, but our batsman generally start tour matches well. The key is how the bowlers go, especially on what looks a rather docile surface. I don't think anyone wants to see Hauritz return 0/105 off 20 overs.
 

Howsie

International Captain
Pretty good start to the tour, but our batsman generally start tour matches well. The key is how the bowlers go, especially on what looks a rather docile surface. I don't think anyone wants to see Hauritz return 0/105 off 20 overs.
I know one person who will.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
India were without Gavaskar and Kapil Dev.

Also No Gambhir, Bhajji and Sehwag.
Not sure what Gavaskar & Kapil dev have to do with that 2007 series.

But last i checked Sehwag was dropped for the entire 2007 after a ridiculously poor 2006. When he was exposed technically consistenty by SA, WI, PAK, ENG bowlers in a variety of pace-bowler friendly conditions. So he wasn't missing due to injury like the ENG main pace trio - he was dropped.

Gambhir also wasn't out injured like the ENG pace trio. He wasn't even in the IND selectors calculation yet in 2007.

Harbhajn also was dropped too. Plus he certainly wouldn't have played anyway given the conditons in ENG that summer where seamer friendly & the IND pace trio ATT was in top form.

Seems like i know more about your own team that you.


vsc said:
India are capable of tonking England 3-0 without breaking a sweat with an attack of Raju, Chauhan and a novice Kumble. An England side with a batting lineup of Gooch, Stewart, Smith, Hick, Gatting etc. Too bad you aren't good enough to do the same.
Uh what?. I asked:

quote said:
If a team won in India & Kumble/Harbhajan were not present & the opposition had to deal with any two of Johsi/Kapoor/Chauhan/Bahutule/Kulkarni/Karthik would you rate that opposition triumph in IND highly?
And this is what you tell me. How does your response even begin to answer that question??


vcs said:
Too bad the ICC doesn't recognize the "aussie ranking system" which arbitrarily decides which series should "count" or "not count".
They all count, build a bridge and get over it. India beat an all-time great Australia team in 2001 without Kumble. If you're good enough, you'll find a way. Sadly England weren't against India. Deal with it.[/quote]

My position is cricket does not need a ranking system. Any erudite cricket obsever can tell when their is the best team/#1 team at any given time, without a ranking system & right now their is no # 1 test team.

I have certainly gotten & have dealth over ENG losing that series to IND in 07. Its jsut should not be forgotten that ENG ashes winning attack was missing (Jones wouldn't have played under normal circumstances anyway - just the other 3) - thus IND victory cannot be rated that highly.

India beating AUS in 2001 is not comparable to the IND beating weakend ENG team @ home. Firstly that series win was won by once in life-time brilliance that may not be replicated for ages if ever again - so what occured in that series can never be used a guide to likely future test outcomes in any circumstances, given the freakishness of the performances.

The fact that IND beat in 2001 without Kumble & just Bhaji proved to AUS ATT that althought they where a GREAT team, they still a MASSIVE achillies heel facing quality spin bowling in the SC (which they later correct in 2004 in SRI & IND). Thats all - no comparison to the ENG vs IND 07 series.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Make that two.
Make that three (unless i was already the suspected person howsie was talking about) :laugh:

If you actually read his post he was addressing the many flaws in the system, not just the one that influences Australia's position and was advocating that Australia shouldn't have remained #1 after 07/08. The chip on the shoulder some guys have on here against Australia is ridiculous
06/07 to be exact. But yes, well said. Something arguing on CW can be a losing battle.
 

vcs

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Uh what?. I asked:


And this is what you tell me. How does your response even begin to answer that question??
I was giving an example to show that India don't make excuses for missing players through injury, they just go out and beat the opposition anyway. Granted it was an England side that performed like utter crap.

My position is cricket does not need a ranking system. Any erudite cricket obsever can tell when their is the best team/#1 team at any given time, without a ranking system & right now their is no # 1 test team.

I have certainly gotten & have dealth over ENG losing that series to IND in 07. Its jsut should not be forgotten that ENG ashes winning attack was missing (Jones wouldn't have played under normal circumstances anyway - just the other 3) - thus IND victory cannot be rated that highly.

India beating AUS in 2001 is not comparable to the IND beating weakend ENG team @ home. Firstly that series win was won by once in life-time brilliance that may not be replicated for ages if ever again - so what occured in that series can never be used a guide to likely future test outcomes in any circumstances, given the freakishness of the performances.

The fact that IND beat in 2001 without Kumble & just Bhaji proved to AUS ATT that althought they where a GREAT team, they still a MASSIVE achillies heel facing quality spin bowling in the SC (which they later correct in 2004 in SRI & IND). Thats all - no comparison to the ENG vs IND 07 series.
Why do you keep going off on a tangent? I brought up that series to illustrate that excuses like "that doesn't count because a couple of players were missing" are total nonsense. If you're good enough, you find a way. How much clearer can I make it?

And if you were missing bowlers in '07, why couldn't you defend 387 on a wearing 5th day track with an attack of Anderson, Harmison, Flintoff, Swann and Panesar BTW in '08? What's your excuse then?

And you were probably better off without Harmison in the first place anyway, the guy has the mental strength of a paper napkin and has been trash since the Brisbane first ball debacle.
 

vcs

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Ojha has 24 overs, 9 maidens, 2-29. :-O

Hope he carries on his good form from the 3rd Test of the recent SL-India series.
 
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Teja.

Global Moderator
Yep, it's a good order. However, there'll be plenty of pressure once the Test starts. Starting your innings cold against high class spinners, fieldsmen around the bat, guys chirping away....a real challenge.
Tbh, Man, At the very moment atleast, We do not have any high-class spinners. Harbhajan Singh is in the worst form of his life, The others are just not good enough.

In the recently concluded Ind-SL series, where three SL bowlers averaged below 30, and the pitches were generally favourable to good spin, The Indian bowlers performed like this:-

Ojha - 8 wickets at 64.3
Sharma - 7 wickets @ 61.71
Mithun - 6 wickets @ 62
Mishra - 4 wickets @ 46.7
Harbhajan - 2 wickets @ 152
Sehwag - 7 wickets @ 27.5

Only hope, India have of winning one test atm, is if Zaheer and Sree bowl well and Sehwag contributes a little.
 

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