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Sobers rates Subash Gupte over Shane Warne

Sanz

Sanz

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People calling one of the Greatest Cricketers as "Idiot" and "Troll" for having an opinion, Wow that is a surprise now.
 
Fusion

Fusion

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Alright, before the discussion degenerates any further, let’s all just take a deep breath and relax. :) I’m sure we can argue the merits of Sobers' statements without descending into insults.
 
smash84

smash84

The Tiger King
Fusion said:
Alright, before the discussion degenerates any further, let’s all just take a deep breath and relax. :) I’m sure we can argue the merits of Sobers' statements without descending into insults.
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Sobers is entitled to his opinion..............I am sure there are lots of other legends who believe the other way around.
 
smash84

smash84

The Tiger King
Ikki said:
The person in question makes some biased comments about his era and team in general. Another statement by Sobers a few years ago: "I never saw Bradman's teams play but you don't even have to go back that far," Sobers said. "I don't think they would have even won a single Test against Clive Lloyd's team, to tell you the truth. Look at how the Aussies struggled against Steve Harmison in England. What would they have done against an attack with Michael Holding, Joel Garner, Colin Croft, Andy Roberts, Malcolm Marshall?"

It almost feels if the guy is wanting some attention.
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Sorry.....I missed this post..............but did he really say that???? I can't seem to digest this......I mean I have a lot of respect for Sir Gary as a cricketer but these kinds of comments make him look quite foolish...........sounds like Sarfaraz Nawaz speaking for him
 
aussie

aussie

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I have no issue with Sir Gary rating Gupte over Warne, although i disagree. This is why i'd always take the view of a cricket historian like a John Arlott, Neville Carduss etc over past players.

I find this statement from him stunning:

Sir Garfied Sobers said:
Someone who is called great from today's game is Shane Warne, but I have got my reservations about Shane," Sobers wrote in the book's foreword. "I think he is a great bowler, but I'm not sure how well he compares with spinners overall. I think people get carried away with this man's ability as he hardly ever bowled a good googly..
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Sir Gary should check that back, since Warne certainly bowled ALOT of good googlies in his career.
 
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Sanz

Sanz

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aussie said:
I have no issue with Sir Gary rating Gupte over Warne, although i disagree. This is why i'd always take the view of a cricket historian like a John Arlott, Neville Carduss etc over past players.
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Okay, so what did Neville Cardus and John Arlott had to say about Warne and Gupte ?
 
benchmark00

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Nah, Warne didn't have a great googly. But I don't think that's a fair reason for having a go at his bowling overall. I think he's overrated for other reasons.

If we're talking leggies with good googlies, we're talking about this: YouTube - Stuart MacGill Wrongun
 
vic_orthdox

vic_orthdox

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Sanz said:
Can you please put up a clip of Warne bowling one ?
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YouTube - Shane Warne Makes Sourav Ganguly Look Foolish

Also remember him bowling overs of them to Wasim Akram at one stage, wanting the ball to continue to spin away from him. Warne didn't have a great googly, it just didn't get the same bit off the wicket that his leg-spinner did, or the way that most other leg-spinners managed to get the ball to bite with the overspin.
 
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Sanz

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
vic_orthdox said:
YouTube - Shane Warne Makes Sourav Ganguly Look Foolish

Also remember him bowling overs of them to Wasim Akram at one stage, wanting the ball to continue to spin away from him. Warne didn't have a great googly, it just didn't get the same bit off the wicket that his leg-spinner did, or the way that most other leg-spinners managed to get the ball to bite with the overspin.
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In that case we agree with Sir Gary when he says that Warne "hardly ever bowled a good googly".
 
vic_orthdox

vic_orthdox

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Sanz said:
In that case we agree with Sir Gary when he says that Warne "hardly ever bowled a good googly".
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Yeah, for sure. Don't think it affects his standing as a bowler though.

Like saying that Ambrose isn't as good a one day bowler as someone else because he rarely used a slower ball.
 
Sanz

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
TumTum said:
Who needs a big spinning googly when you got a killer flipper? Flippers are what made Shane Warne a legendary spinner, followed by the big spin he gets on the legbreak,

YouTube - Shane Warne 12/128 Vs South Africa 1994

Flipper! @ 1:15 here is orgasmic.
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That's really not the point here. The point is that Warnie did not have a good Googly, for a purist it is possible that it matters a lot.

Also, It is silly to suggest that just because Warnie had a great Flipper, he didn't need a Googly. Who knows if he had a good googly, he probably would have had more success against India.
 
TumTum

TumTum

Banned
Sanz said:
That's really not the point here. The point is that Warnie did not have a good Googly, for a purist it is possible that it matters a lot.

Also, It is silly to suggest that just because Warnie had a great Flipper, he didn't need a Googly. Who knows if he had a good googly, he probably would have had more success against India.
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I don't think you understand my point. It is silly to judge a bowler on a specif skill. I am just saying that Warnie is know for his Flippers, nothing to do with a Wrong-un, which wrecked many batting line-ups.
 
Sanz

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
vic_orthdox said:
Yeah, for sure. Don't think it affects his standing as a bowler though.

Like saying that Ambrose isn't as good a one day bowler as someone else because he rarely used a slower ball.
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Rarely used is different from not having a good one. That said :-

YouTube - Ambrose's Slower ball to healy

And I dont think I have a problem with your opinion but at the same time I don't see why Sobers should be called names for having a different opinion, after all he has said many positive things about Warne.
 
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