Sobers rates Subash Gupte over Shane Warne

[Athlai]

That latter quote is a pretty fair call.

 

[honestbharani]

That latter quote is a pretty fair call.

lol yeah.... I thought the same too. I suppose Sir Gary is not making allowance for the fact that those guys might just have worked on their games had they had to play against the 80s Windies side, but really, that is about it.

 

[honestbharani]

The person in question makes some biased comments about his era and team in general. Another statement by Sobers a few years ago: "I never saw Bradman's teams play but you don't even have to go back that far," Sobers said. "I don't think they would have even won a single Test against Clive Lloyd's team, to tell you the truth. Look at how the Aussies struggled against Steve Harmison in England. What would they have done against an attack with Michael Holding, Joel Garner, Colin Croft, Andy Roberts, Malcolm Marshall?"

It almost feels if the guy is wanting some attention.

you almost make it sound like he is Harvey or Bedi.. He is not.. I have read many other quotes of him to understand he is not one of those blokes.

 

[Ikki]

I hope your joking.

 

[honestbharani]

I hope your joking.

Nope.. he is not really derogatory to the current players and to a certain extent, I can understand their ratings of guys who had to face REAL fast bowling with little to no protection and still scored heaps of runs higher than guys who bat with full protection and score just about the same.

 

[silentstriker]

That latter quote is a pretty fair call.

Yea, I probably agree with the latter quote too. Maybe they would have pulled out one game.

 

[GotSpin]

umm the quote basically says - how could Bradman's team have done well when you look at how the Australian team played Harmison in 2005 - Strike no one else as odd?

 

[Athlai]

They seem like two seperate points to me.

 

[GotSpin]

Unless I'm reading this wrong, he was addressing the chancesof Bradman's team winning by pointing out the failure of the 2005 Aussie team rather than saying how the 2005 team would have done against Clive Lloyd...Maybe I am reading it wrong, had a few beers out.

 

[four_or_six]

umm the quote basically says - how could Bradman's team have done well when you look at how the Australian team played Harmison in 2005 - Strike no one else as odd?

It's like saying Harmison is a better player than Bradman because if you'd transported Bradman to 2005 and not let him spend any time aclimatising, Harmison would have got him out.

 

[Athlai]

Unless I'm reading this wrong, he was addressing the chancesof Bradman's team winning by pointing out the failure of the 2005 Aussie team rather than saying how the 2005 team would have done against Clive Lloyd...Maybe I am reading it wrong, had a few beers out.

Read it more as him saying how another all-time great team (Australia in the 2000s) never faced an attack like the West Indies and despite their dominance they struggled against good fast bowling at times. A fast bowling attack that pales in comparison to the West Indian one.

If one of the most dominant teams in the history of the game can show a crack like that against Harmy and co. Then what would have happened if they went up against the best fast bowling outfit ever assembled? Same goes for Bradman's team.

 

[benchmark00]

Sobers was talking about Australian teams from the past decade going up against Lloyd's team.

He was saying that you don't have to go back to Bradman's era to see a team that could beat the current Australian team.

 

[benchmark00]

ftr: Sportsmax Online

 

[Athlai]

Sobers was talking about Australian teams from the past decade going up against Lloyd's team.

He was saying that you don't have to go back to Bradman's era to see a team that could beat the current Australian team.

Well that makes a lot more sense and completely undermines Ikki's argument.

Also interesting to note that he mentions Gupte > Warne in that conversation.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Haha, and that's why a quote always needs some context.

 

[GotSpin]

ftr: Sportsmax Online

Makes more sense now that the quote is put in context

 

[honestbharani]

Unless I'm reading this wrong, he was addressing the chancesof Bradman's team winning by pointing out the failure of the 2005 Aussie team rather than saying how the 2005 team would have done against Clive Lloyd...Maybe I am reading it wrong, had a few beers out.

Hmmm.. The way it came across to me was that they were comparing the 2000s Australia to the Invincibles and he said, you don't have to go that far back, they wont have beaten the 80s Windies.

 

[honestbharani]

It's like saying Harmison is a better player than Bradman because if you'd transported Bradman to 2005 and not let him spend any time aclimatising, Harmison would have got him out.

But that is not what he said at all...

 

[GotSpin]

Hmmm.. The way it came across to me was that they were comparing the 2000s Australia to the Invincibles and he said, you don't have to go that far back, they wont have beaten the 80s Windies.

Yeah I get what he means now that I saw the original article

 

[honestbharani]

Yeah I get what he means now that I saw the original article

lol.. u must have had a few beers mate.. I got it without the original article.. But yeah, can see why quotes like that can sometimes be misleading without the context.