Official Pro-Wrestling Thread (WWE, TNA, ROH etc.)

[GIMH]

Agree with Sledge. Imo, any loss of crowd reaction for Hardy in recent months would be because it is starting to become apparent that he is destined to keep failing in his quest to move up the card.

Still getting the same reaction as always, I reckon. I just don't think he's good enough, personally. He hasn't had a really memorable match since....???

 

[masterblaster]

Still getting the same reaction as always, I reckon. I just don't think he's good enough, personally. He hasn't had a really memorable match since....???

He hasn't really had a memorable feud in ages either. The last memorable feud he had was with Jeff Hardy. Apart from a stop start angle with Drew McIntyre, Matt Hardy has had no feud since then.

 

[GIMH]

Yeah, he probably could be used better but I just don't see him as top-line material, personally.

The fact that he's so out of shape is inexcusable as well, for mine. It was fair enough this time last year as he'd been struggling with injury but he really should have improved by now.

If Matt was to get into shape and have a run at the top, I'd mark because the teenager in me is a Hardy Boyz fanatic, but I don't see it happening and as things stand don't think it should.

Would appear I am in the minority on this one though, fair enough.

In other news, don't suppose anyone watched No Surrender?

 

[sledger]

Agree with Sledger here. I've always been a fan of Matt Hardy and have always liked him more than Jeff. I've always found Matt to be the sensible, loyal company man who works hard and does things right.

Jeff has always been a bit of a screw up and I'll never understand why he's so over and won multiple World Heavyweight Championships with his dreadful promos and complete lack of verbal charisma. Granted Jeff's got charisma in his crazy spots that he does, but Paul London and Evan Bourne do crazy spots too and they aren't that over.

If anything Matt Hardy was one of the big reasons why Edge got so over as a big time heel, but all credit to Edge for running with it and turning it on even more than anyone could've imagined and becoming an even bigger star. Matt Hardy was one of the key people that put tag team wrestling on the map.

For his loyalty and style of working, I think a short run with the World Heavyweight Championship wouldn't be such a bad thing. He still gets the biggest pop on Smackdown with the exception of The Undertaker and he's more over than most of the Smackdown roster.

I agree that he's getting old and has put on some weight, but if WWE can motivate him enough to get back into shape and have a run with the World Heavyweight Championship, then I'm sure that'll get people watching.

Yeah in firm agreement here. Though I think Edge would have reached the same heights he has done anyway, I would say his feud with Matt Hardy is where he really went from just an upper-midcard heel to being genuinely hated and a huge amount of momentum was generated from the whole Lita thing. Remember the leg drop from the top of the cage, WAG.

On the subject of other guys on the roster who seem to be just doing nothing at the moment, it's a shame to see that Christian hasn't really had any feud of any substance for a while, in fact he hasn't really had one of any real magnitude since he returned to the WWE. Even if the WWE don't want to push him as a main event talent (which similarly to Matt Hardy, I think he would be worth a go, even though his ship has probably already sailed) he is still very capable of putting younger talent over incredibly well, and to have such a talented guy on the roster just doing nothing is a huge waste. Need to hurry up and have him turn heel or something. Christian vs Rey Mysterio would be a feud worth watching at some point down the line, don't think it's been done before either.

 

[GIMH]

On Smackdown they sowed the seeds of a Christian-Del Rio feud which could be great. They had some dark matches and house show matches earlier in the year that got good reviews.

 

[sledger]

WWE headquarters in Stamford, Connecticut is undergoing a slight renovation as an office is being built for Paul "Triple H" Levesque, who was recently promoted to an executive role within the organization.

According to a company source, the multi-time wrestling champion now officially serves as WWE Chairman Vince McMahon's creative advisor.

While Triple H has had Vince's ear for the past several years, it was always in an unofficial capacity. From this point forward, he will have a much more authoritative voice in regards to the company's creative direction and its many performers.

I really don't want to feel worried about this...but I kind of am..

 

[masterblaster]

Yeah in firm agreement here. Though I think Edge would have reached the same heights he has done anyway, I would say his feud with Matt Hardy is where he really went from just an upper-midcard heel to being genuinely hated and a huge amount of momentum was generated from the whole Lita thing. Remember the leg drop from the top of the cage, WAG.

On the subject of other guys on the roster who seem to be just doing nothing at the moment, it's a shame to see that Christian hasn't really had any feud of any substance for a while, in fact he hasn't really had one of any real magnitude since he returned to the WWE. Even if the WWE don't want to push him as a main event talent (which similarly to Matt Hardy, I think he would be worth a go, even though his ship has probably already sailed) he is still very capable of putting younger talent over incredibly well, and to have such a talented guy on the roster just doing nothing is a huge waste. Need to hurry up and have him turn heel or something. Christian vs Rey Mysterio would be a feud worth watching at some point down the line, don't think it's been done before either.

Agree with sledger again. Don't get me started on WWE misusing Christian. Along with Chris Jericho, he's my favourite wrestler and he's just as misused if not more like Chris Jericho was in 2002.

Christian's got so much talent and has had great matches with everyone from Chris Jericho, Jack Swagger to even Zack Ryder. How many stars like John Cena, Randy Orton or Triple H claim to do that? I don't think that the ship has sailed on a World Heavyweight Championship run for him.

With the complete lack of depth on Smackdown and with Undertaker just a couple of injuries away from retirement, there's never been a better time for a person like Christian to step up. He has a lot of similarities with Matt Hardy in that he's a company man, experienced, great guy to have in the locker room and is over with the crowd.

The factors that Christian has going for him is that he's in great shape, he's a great promo guy and his wrestling ability is far and above that of Matt Hardy. Christian also works far better as a heel than Matt Hardy does so WWE can pull that turn and it would go over. At the moment he seems like a momentary stepping stone for Alberto Del Rio because he's clearly focused on Rey Mysterio at the moment.

It's pretty clear that WWE isn't keen on turning Christian heel. He gets good reactions from the fans and people generally like Christian so turning him heel isn't really on the cards yet. What I would like to see if Christian does remain a babyface is for him to face off against someone like Kane once he's done feuding with The Undertaker.

A feud with Kane could freshen up Christian's career as Kane isn't someone he's faced before. Another option would be to have someone like CM Punk win the World Heavyweight Championship and go on an extended feud with Christian which would be very entertaining.

I do think that out of both Matt Hardy and Christian that Christian has a better chance of winning the World Heavyweight Championship although I would like to see both get that chance soon.

 

[GIMH]

Christian's got so much talent and has had great matches with everyone from Chris Jericho, Jack Swagger to even Zack Ryder. How many stars like John Cena, Randy Orton or Triple H claim to do that? I don't think that the ship has sailed on a World Heavyweight Championship run for him.

TBF, Cena definitely can. He has had good matches with pretty much everyone thrown his way.

 

[Manee]

The fact that he's so out of shape is inexcusable as well, for mine. It was fair enough this time last year as he'd been struggling with injury but he really should have improved by now.

If Matt was to get into shape and have a run at the top,

Matt Hardy Discusses His Current Weight Issues/Dieting - Wrestlezone.com , tbf.

In other news, don't suppose anyone watched No Surrender?

Ha, no chance.

 

[masterblaster]

TBF, Cena definitely can. He has had good matches with pretty much everyone thrown his way.

John Cena's good and all but a competitive match with Zack Ryder? I'd like to see him try it. The best John Cena could do with Zack Ryder would be a 3 minute match with him dominating. That's his gimmick and style, I get that but I'm yet to see that he can carry a lesser opponent to a competitive back and forth match as good as Christian can and has done in the past.

 

[sledger]

John Cena's good and all but a competitive match with Zack Ryder? I'd like to see him try it. The best John Cena could do with Zack Ryder would be a 3 minute match with him dominating. That's his gimmick and style, I get that but I'm yet to see that he can carry a lesser opponent to a competitive back and forth match as good as Christian can and has done in the past.

Dunno, his matches with this Miz about a year ago are arguably what began Miz's transformation from a lower mid-card comedy character into a legitimate contender for a world title.

 

[masterblaster]

Dunno, his matches with this Miz about a year ago are arguably what began Miz's transformation from a lower mid-card comedy character into a legitimate contender for a world title.

I would argue that The Miz's transformation was more due to the awesome promos he cut on Cena during their feud. If I remember correctly their matches were completely one sided and Cena demolished The Miz on most occasions. They had a far more competitive match on Raw a couple of weeks ago but their matches last year were largely one sided and didn't do The Miz any favours.

 

[sledger]

I would argue that The Miz's transformation was more due to the awesome promos he cut on Cena during their feud. If I remember correctly their matches were completely one sided and Cena demolished The Miz on most occasions. They had a far more competitive match on Raw a couple of weeks ago but their matches last year were largely one sided and didn't do The Miz any favours.

Oh no I strongly disagree. Their PPV match at the Bash was fairly one sided yes, but the match they had on RAW the night after was pretty good, lasted about 15 minutes and Miz got in loads of offence. Cena made it look like he really had to pull it out of the bag to get the win. I don't really recall many other of their matches, but in this one it was no way one sided.

 

[GIMH]

John Cena's good and all but a competitive match with Zack Ryder? I'd like to see him try it. The best John Cena could do with Zack Ryder would be a 3 minute match with him dominating. That's his gimmick and style, I get that but I'm yet to see that he can carry a lesser opponent to a competitive back and forth match as good as Christian can and has done in the past.

Ah, tbf I misinterpreted your point; mine was more that all of Cena's PPV matches are quality and the guy never disappoints - any issues, like what you mention, are down to how he's booked not how he performs. As such, if required I believe he certainly could put on a good match with anyone. He had good matches with Umaga and Khali, two very awkward guys.

 

[masterblaster]

Ah, tbf I misinterpreted your point; mine was more that all of Cena's PPV matches are quality and the guy never disappoints - any issues, like what you mention, are down to how he's booked not how he performs. As such, if required I believe he certainly could put on a good match with anyone. He had good matches with Umaga and Khali, two very awkward guys.

Agree completely. John Cena on PPV never disappoints and all of his matches are quality. But he's presented so far and above all of the other talent that it's hard to remember when he had a competitive match with a lesser talent. But that's not his fault, it's just the way he is booked.

 

[masterblaster]

Oh no I strongly disagree. Their PPV match at the Bash was fairly one sided yes, but the match they had on RAW the night after was pretty good, lasted about 15 minutes and Miz got in loads of offence. Cena made it look like he really had to pull it out of the bag to get the win. I don't really recall many other of their matches, but in this one it was no way one sided.

Their match on Raw last year must've slipped my mind. I do remember their match at The Bash and that was very one sided. But if John Cena did have a competitive match with The Miz last year then I don't really remember it but will take your word for it. I do agree though that those promos The Miz cut on Cena last year really helped him break out of that lower mid card and become the star he is today.

 

[sledger]

Ah, tbf I misinterpreted your point; mine was more that all of Cena's PPV matches are quality and the guy never disappoints - any issues, like what you mention, are down to how he's booked not how he performs. As such, if required I believe he certainly could put on a good match with anyone. He had good matches with Umaga and Khali, two very awkward guys.

His match with Umaga at the Royal Rumble was great, might have to find that on youtube actually. Probably one of the best matches I ever saw either guy perform in come to think of it.

 

[Manee]

I thought Raw was pretty good last night. Perhaps I'm remembering it wrong, but I don't recall Raw being as good as 2010, in a long time.

 

[masterblaster]

The Miz vs Daniel Bryan for the United States Championship at Night of Champions! It's on!

Can't wait for the show and because of that match the show has become a must watch.

 

[Manee]

The Miz vs Daniel Bryan for the United States Championship at Night of Champions! It's on!

Can't wait for the show and because of that match the show has become a must watch.

Might want to put that in spoiler tags. But yeah, it should be a good one, I hope it is given plenty of time and has a clean win, one way or the other.