Broad cops up a bit of trouble.

[BoyBrumby]

I don't think the recent bereavement thing should make any difference to the penalty side of it, but some people might consider it on the "do you think he's a jerk" front.

Well, again one would hope he wouldn't do it at all, but after the loss of a close relative to such a cruel illness it's fair to imagine he'd be less likely to let someone taking the piss, however mildly, pass.

 

[GIMH]

Maybe we both saw different videos.Asif's throw missed Colly quite comfotably.I am confident it would have missed him even if Colly hadn't moved. Even otherwise at least Colly had a chance to move,Broad just threw it straight at Haider and pretended to apologise

I can't believe Broad is being defended.He got away with ball tampering and now this.

No he didn't. What a stupid thing to say. He clearly wasn't ball-tampering.

 

[Matt79]

We'll leave the ball tampering discussion for another thread as the mods may not take too kindly to us going off-topic.

The fine that he has got is nothing really.A Pak player in his place would have got banned,I'm willing to bet my life savings on that.


What Asif did wasn't the same.The ball missed Colly comfortably and would have,in all likehihood,missed even if he hadn't dodged.What Broad did isn't really comparable.

Can someone post the Asif video please?I am unable to find it.

A bit of irony in saying that you aren't going to talk about the ball tampering because you don't think the mods will like it, and then throw out a casual accusation of systematic discrimination by ICC officialdom based on nationality as a definite fact. I believe Asif IIRC during this series actually had a couple of collisions with batsmen and received a talking to, but no fine or ban? That doesn't quite fit with your suggestion that there's a mentality of looking to harshly punish Pakistani players at any opportunity.

Whether the fine matters much to him or not, what is more significant is that he's got a conviction now - if he does anything similar again, this prior conviction should be taken into account and a heavier punishment levied against him.

 

[Jono]

Thought you followed AFL? Adam Goodes gave a very small finger wave at an ump on the weekend and got a fifty meter penalty given.

Was the right decision. Do not want our game to turn into soccer with players charging at the umpires/referees and showing absolutely no respect.

 

[Jarquis]

Who was taking the piss? Aamer and Haider forgot getting out?

 

[BoyBrumby]

Who was taking the piss? Aamer and Haider forgot getting out?

Haider was holding the shot pose a little longer than absolutely necessary. Hardly warrants a mention as taking the piss, but when a man's blood's up...

Again tho, whilst it might partly explain Broad's actions it doesn't excuse them.

 

[Avada Kedavra]

A bit of irony in saying that you aren't going to talk about the ball tampering because you don't think the mods will like it, and then throw out a casual accusation of systematic discrimination by ICC officialdom based on nationality as a definite fact. I believe Asif IIRC during this series actually had a couple of collisions with batsmen and received a talking to, but no fine or ban? That doesn't quite fit with your suggestion that there's a mentality of looking to harshly punish Pakistani players at any opportunity.

Whether the fine matters much to him or not, what is more significant is that he's got a conviction now - if he does anything similar again, this prior conviction should be taken into account and a heavier punishment levied against him.

Meh,that the Pak(and other Asian teams as well I guess) get the raw end of the deal almost always isn't in doubt....not AFAIMC anyway.Broad's tampering was as blatant as Afridi's and claiming he only "stopped" the ball is as stupid as Afridi's claim that he was sniffing the ball.

Let's go back to the Aus-Pak series - Ponting and Amir both have a clash.Video footage suggests that Ponting could have avoided contact.Who got a talking to?Surprise surprise - Amir!

The fact that some posters here are equating Broad's throw that was so blatantly deliberate to Asif's throw that missed quite comfortably is pretty amusing to say the least.

 

[Jono]

Haider was holding the shot pose a little longer than absolutely necessary. Hardly warrants a mention as taking the piss, but when a man's blood's up...

Again tho, whilst it might partly explain Broad's actions it doesn't excuse them.

100% guarantee he would not have thrown the ball had it been Sachin holding that pose, as he sometimes does.

Dravid and Kallis to prone to doing it as well.

Just can't imagine them receiving the ball on the chest.

It goes to picking on a debutant IMO, which makes it worse.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Meh,that the Pak(and other Asian teams as well I guess) get the raw end of the deal almost always isn't in doubt....not AFAIMC anyway.Broad's tampering was as blatant as Afridi's and claiming he only "stopped" the ball is as stupid as Afridi's claim that he was sniffing the ball.

Let's go back to the Aus-Pak series - Ponting and Amir both have a clash.Video footage suggests that Ponting could have avoided contact.Who got a talking to?Surprise surprise - Amir!

The fact that some posters here are equating Broad's throw that was so blatantly deliberate to Asif's throw that missed quite comfortably is pretty amusing to say the least.

Horse****, mate.

How often do players use their teeth to stop a ball? Not very often if they've got any sense.

 

[Matt79]

There's a difference between a debutant doing something you see as ****y and the greatest player of your generation doing it. Again, Broad's response was completely unacceptable either way though.

 

[Jarquis]

AK give it a rest.

 

[BoyBrumby]

100% guarantee he would not have thrown the ball had it been Sachin holding that pose, as he sometimes does.

Dravid and Kallis to prone to doing it as well.

Just can't imagine them receiving the ball on the chest.

It goes to picking on a debutant IMO, which makes it worse.

Doubt Broad would've thought twice, tbh. He doesn't come across as a deep thinker or respecter of reps. "Petulent ****" was pretty much his default mode until late.

A Symonds or a Hayden might've got a free pass tho, but.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Meh,that the Pak(and other Asian teams as well I guess) get the raw end of the deal almost always isn't in doubt....not AFAIMC anyway.Broad's tampering was as blatant as Afridi's and claiming he only "stopped" the ball is as stupid as Afridi's claim that he was sniffing the ball.

Let's go back to the Aus-Pak series - Ponting and Amir both have a clash.Video footage suggests that Ponting could have avoided contact.Who got a talking to?Surprise surprise - Amir!

The fact that some posters here are equating Broad's throw that was so blatantly deliberate to Asif's throw that missed quite comfortably is pretty amusing to say the least.

Yea it's not in doubt that Pakistan get the raw end of anything from the ICC. Because a team with a recent history of dragging the game through the mud that still has a twice proven drugs cheat and Dubai prison resident in their team says it all. Go and take your victim card to another forum.

 

[Matt79]

Meh,that the Pak(and other Asian teams as well I guess) get the raw end of the deal almost always isn't in doubt....not AFAIMC anyway.Broad's tampering was as blatant as Afridi's and claiming he only "stopped" the ball is as stupid as Afridi's claim that he was sniffing the ball.

Let's go back to the Aus-Pak series - Ponting and Amir both have a clash.Video footage suggests that Ponting could have avoided contact.Who got a talking to?Surprise surprise - Amir!

The fact that some posters here are equating Broad's throw that was so blatantly deliberate to Asif's throw that missed quite comfortably is pretty amusing to say the least.

Horse****, mate.

How often do players use their teeth to stop a ball? Not very often if they've got any sense.

And this is the problem with this discussion - it rarely stays civil for long.

AK - you're entitled to your opinion and I'm certainly not going to try and censor it, but I would ask that if you want to have this discussion, please be conscious that it's one that tends to get people on both sides quite upset and has often ended up degenerating into a slanging match that does no-one any good.

BB - don't avoid the filter.

Everyone else, my advice to Avada goes for everyone wanting to discuss this issue. CC should be a place where the issues of the day are discussed, but if it gets to a point where people are calling others racist or otherwise abusing other members, there are going to be warnings given and the thread will be closed.

 

[honestbharani]

Haider was holding the shot pose a little longer than absolutely necessary. Hardly warrants a mention as taking the piss, but when a man's blood's up...

Again tho, whilst it might partly explain Broad's actions it doesn't excuse them.

lol.. in that case, every bowler celebrating a wicket is "taking the piss", right???



I know you are not defending him mate, but that is seriously stupid if he actually states that as some kind of a reason.. It is even worse than saying nothing at all, tbh.

 

[Matt79]

Yea it's not in doubt that Pakistan get the raw end of anything from the ICC. Because a team with a recent history of dragging the game through the mud that still has a twice proven drugs cheat and Dubai prison resident in their team says it all. Go and take your victim card to another forum.

Scaly - that preceded my last post, but I'll reiterate that that is an unacceptable way to conduct this argument that is only going to result in a flame session. Please elevate your tone or leave the discussion to others.

 

[Jono]

Doubt Broad would've thought twice, tbh.

Will have to agree to disagree I guess.

Would be awesome if he did it to Sachin. Outrage would be huge.

Would also be awesome if he did it to Kallis. The ball would ricochet of the man's chest right back into Broad's face, such is the size of the man's upper body.

 

[Jono]

Would also like to see Broad have thrown the ball at Waterboy after he hit him for six consecutive 6s.

 

[BoyBrumby]

lol.. in that case, every bowler celebrating a wicket is "taking the piss", right???



I know you are not defending him mate, but that is seriously stupid if he actually states that as some kind of a reason.. It is even worse than saying nothing at all, tbh.

Well, a bowler giving a batsman a send off would qualify as taking the piss, certainly, yes. Celebrating a wicket tho? Not for my quid.

Broad shouldn't have done it tho and I'm not suggesting otherwise for a second. It was poor form and reflected very badly on him.

 

[honestbharani]

Would also like to see Broad have thrown the ball at Waterboy after he hit him for six consecutive 6s.

I don't think he would do it to a Shoaib Akhtar even... If Shoaib did the same back to Broad, Broad would be seriously hurt..