Faisal1985
International Vice-Captain
That's it....and i am sure he wants to prove himself as the best of the lot because the batting lineup is full of Mo Yo haters...
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*Official* Pakistan in England 2010
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slowfinger
International Debutant
And atleast he can catch fitness will defo be tested but who wants to throw away a potential 3 years of batting? Pcb, thats who.
AaronK
State Regular
I hope not.. hope both him and Shaoib Malik fail mesribally.. if they both remain in the time.. they will continue to fight and influnce some odd honest players left in the team..
the only person i have ever wanted back from ban players was Younis khan.. He was first treated badly by his team mates and then by PCB.. Possiblly because he is Pathan.. not Punjabi...
slowfinger
International Debutant
I also believe that Misbah has been treated very unfairly just like Fawad Alam and many others like Sarfraz (better than Akmal ffs...)
But Shoaib Malik, he is still quite young has has a lot to prove, he can bowl and bat, infact he started out batting 9, shows his commitment...
Shahid Afridi should be punished, not these players, why put Shahid Afridi in there when he can't even slog anymore... And Umar Amin is strugling so why keep him in... this is fault of PCB, I even think that Bangladesh have a better potential side now...
If Inzamam hopefully becomes batting coach then we might improve because even he says we needs the Y's in there, its all just pcb in the end...
Faisal1985
International Vice-Captain
I don't think you can put Malik and Yousuf in the same category first of all. Second, Malik failing is nothing new to me...he will fail because he is a crape batsman.
No matter how much one hates Mohammad Yousuf's way of captaining (including myself)...i rather see him in the team then Malik. The odd player? Like who? Butt? Farhat? Akmal brothers? the noobs...? What makes you think they are "honest" or not involved in infighting...barring the noobs everyone is part of it anyway..
Younis Khan is not in the team, so its pointless to discuss him here...
If you want Malik and Yousuf to fail miserably then good luck trying to even draw a test...let alone winning it...
Faisal1985
International Vice-Captain
I think sacking Misbah was long over due. He did not perform at least in 1 and a half years before he was dropped permanently. Yet when they needed a batsman in NZ, they picked him out of nowhere, when you had fc level batsmen with averages of 70 odd in the most recent season. That's what i call unfair....to the fc level batsmen.
Alam, i agree, was treated harshly, he was a solid opening prospect for Pak in tests...and a decent middle order bet in ODIs. Not a T20 player IMO.
Bangladesh is way better batting side then us....
No point blaming Afridi to be honest...he saw he can't bat in Tests he left after 1 and specifically said that he didn't want to handicap the team.
The only good Inzi can bring to the batting is to be a lot more patient like he used to be...but he was extremely talented in playing late, not sure how many barring Yousuf can do that in this side.
This is what happens when years of favoritism and nepotism doesn't allow the nurturing of young players....they have destroyed so many young batsmen and the batting supply line is thinner then ever before now...
Faisal1985
International Vice-Captain
So true this...
In the wake of Mohammad Yousuf’s abrupt recall-up to international duty to bolster a fragile Pakistan batting order, Salman Butt indirectly questioned the merit of such a selection. According to Butt, Pakistan had fared no better in England with their elder statesmen so why not simply keep the faith with the current young side.
Allow me to distill Butt’s point to its very core – a luxury I as a blogger have and Butt, as an uncertain captain subject to the administration of a temperamental cricket board does not: importing any of the two Y’s to England in response to the failure of our batsmen is not a solution and will not miraculously reverse our fortunes overseas.
Next, allow me to expand on Butt’s point to postulate a broader theory which is implicit and undeniable in the face of Butt’s above indictment: we’re in this mess because all Pakistani batsmen have been historically under-prepared to cope with a ball which deviates in the air or off the seam and management needs to wake up to this blatant fact made deafening in light of the first test against England.
Mohammad Yousuf’s recall is nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction to an embarrassing debacle. There were no indications that he was needed at any point during the tests against Australia but here he is, despite the fact that no one seems to understand quite how he got there, and all concerned parties are unwilling to take responsibility for his inclusion.
Perhaps because they know that Mohammad Yousuf is not the solution they’re looking for. Yes, I’m well aware of the record held by both Younis Khan and Mohammad Yousuf against England. But how many of those tests did we end up winning anyway, as rightly pointed out by Butt.
Don’t get me wrong here – I do think our younger batsmen could do with the advice of a senior batsman or two (preferably Younis Khan). However, do not fall under the impression that the presence of any of the Y’s would have averted defeat. It may have reduced the margin of it, but we would have ended up falling short nonetheless. And is there really any honour to a defeat by 100 runs as compared to an innings and a 100 runs? Surely, with the quality of bowling at our disposal, we owe it to ourselves to examine the problems within the infrastructure of our batting more closely than to simply gloss over them by throwing Yousuf to the fore.
Pakistan’s batting failure in the first test is merely symptomatic of a well-established infirmity our batsman have long suffered from – a weakness against the swinging ball. The series against Australia may have masked this limitation given the fact that the off-colour Hilfenhaus and Johnson were unable to generate any prodigious movement.
Anderson and company are a different animal altogether and a fullish ball with even a hint of shape is kryptonite for tentative batsmen. Irfan Pathan’s devastating spell in the third test in Karachi comes to mind and we only won that because Mohammad Asif was able to strike back with equal venom.
Truth be told, it’s not just our batsmen who suffer from this technical limitation. I believe the hardest type of bowling to deal with is swing and a weakness against quality swing bowling is a characteristic shared by most international sides. Transplant the marauding Indians or Sri Lankans against this English attack in these conditions and the flat track at Colombo would be a distant fantasy.
However, it’s a fact that we are the least equipped to deal with this brand of bowling and for that we can’t blame Umar Akmal, Umar Amin and Azhar Ali. A batsman’s skill and technique is a product of the environment in which he was molded and the PCB administration has bred our batsmen on pancake flat pitches. The first step towards coping with a ball which moves in the air is to learn how to negotiate a ball which deviates off its seam and simulating such conditions is easily achieved by preparing tracks which assist such seam movement.
The PCB chooses to adopt a more protective approach towards their batsmen, perhaps under the misconception that confidence will compensate for technique. I can understand the need for true bounce and predictable shape during the infancy of one’s development, but surely our batsmen would be better served by being exposed to trickier pitches by the time they establish themselves at the first class level. Sending our guys out there with zero aptitude against swing bowling, not to mention seam, is akin to sending a soldier into a warzone with one round of ammo.
It’s weird that our administration hasn’t ever adopted a culture of preparing seaming tracks given the composition of our bowling attacks. Historically, we’ve always been reliant on our quicker men and it seems to be a no-brainer that one would prepare tracks suited to ones strengths. But time and again we’ve seen the PCB role out pavements for our home games in an attempt to protect out batsmen rather than address their weaknesses. It’s an approach which typifies successive PCB administrations that elect to implement myopic policies with complete disregard to a long term strategy.
What you saw in the first test was a product of the PCB’s shortsightedness and not a denunciation of the talent and capabilities of our younger batsmen. There is no point to sending Akmal, Amin and Ali back to the training grounds of the PCB to hone their skills since those grounds will be useless in preparing them for the standard of swing and seam bowling prevalent in international cricket. Mohammad Yousuf, despite all the runs he has scored, is a product of the same system and I doubt his high back-lift and lazy wafts will repel Anderson and Broad. Our younger players will have to learn on the job so they might as well treat this series as the training their administration was too scared to provide them.
Source:
http://blog.dawn.com/2010/08/04/more...-less-excuses/
In the wake of Mohammad Yousuf’s abrupt recall-up to international duty to bolster a fragile Pakistan batting order, Salman Butt indirectly questioned the merit of such a selection. According to Butt, Pakistan had fared no better in England with their elder statesmen so why not simply keep the faith with the current young side.
Allow me to distill Butt’s point to its very core – a luxury I as a blogger have and Butt, as an uncertain captain subject to the administration of a temperamental cricket board does not: importing any of the two Y’s to England in response to the failure of our batsmen is not a solution and will not miraculously reverse our fortunes overseas.
Next, allow me to expand on Butt’s point to postulate a broader theory which is implicit and undeniable in the face of Butt’s above indictment: we’re in this mess because all Pakistani batsmen have been historically under-prepared to cope with a ball which deviates in the air or off the seam and management needs to wake up to this blatant fact made deafening in light of the first test against England.
Mohammad Yousuf’s recall is nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction to an embarrassing debacle. There were no indications that he was needed at any point during the tests against Australia but here he is, despite the fact that no one seems to understand quite how he got there, and all concerned parties are unwilling to take responsibility for his inclusion.
Perhaps because they know that Mohammad Yousuf is not the solution they’re looking for. Yes, I’m well aware of the record held by both Younis Khan and Mohammad Yousuf against England. But how many of those tests did we end up winning anyway, as rightly pointed out by Butt.
Don’t get me wrong here – I do think our younger batsmen could do with the advice of a senior batsman or two (preferably Younis Khan). However, do not fall under the impression that the presence of any of the Y’s would have averted defeat. It may have reduced the margin of it, but we would have ended up falling short nonetheless. And is there really any honour to a defeat by 100 runs as compared to an innings and a 100 runs? Surely, with the quality of bowling at our disposal, we owe it to ourselves to examine the problems within the infrastructure of our batting more closely than to simply gloss over them by throwing Yousuf to the fore.
Pakistan’s batting failure in the first test is merely symptomatic of a well-established infirmity our batsman have long suffered from – a weakness against the swinging ball. The series against Australia may have masked this limitation given the fact that the off-colour Hilfenhaus and Johnson were unable to generate any prodigious movement.
Anderson and company are a different animal altogether and a fullish ball with even a hint of shape is kryptonite for tentative batsmen. Irfan Pathan’s devastating spell in the third test in Karachi comes to mind and we only won that because Mohammad Asif was able to strike back with equal venom.
Truth be told, it’s not just our batsmen who suffer from this technical limitation. I believe the hardest type of bowling to deal with is swing and a weakness against quality swing bowling is a characteristic shared by most international sides. Transplant the marauding Indians or Sri Lankans against this English attack in these conditions and the flat track at Colombo would be a distant fantasy.
However, it’s a fact that we are the least equipped to deal with this brand of bowling and for that we can’t blame Umar Akmal, Umar Amin and Azhar Ali. A batsman’s skill and technique is a product of the environment in which he was molded and the PCB administration has bred our batsmen on pancake flat pitches. The first step towards coping with a ball which moves in the air is to learn how to negotiate a ball which deviates off its seam and simulating such conditions is easily achieved by preparing tracks which assist such seam movement.
The PCB chooses to adopt a more protective approach towards their batsmen, perhaps under the misconception that confidence will compensate for technique. I can understand the need for true bounce and predictable shape during the infancy of one’s development, but surely our batsmen would be better served by being exposed to trickier pitches by the time they establish themselves at the first class level. Sending our guys out there with zero aptitude against swing bowling, not to mention seam, is akin to sending a soldier into a warzone with one round of ammo.
It’s weird that our administration hasn’t ever adopted a culture of preparing seaming tracks given the composition of our bowling attacks. Historically, we’ve always been reliant on our quicker men and it seems to be a no-brainer that one would prepare tracks suited to ones strengths. But time and again we’ve seen the PCB role out pavements for our home games in an attempt to protect out batsmen rather than address their weaknesses. It’s an approach which typifies successive PCB administrations that elect to implement myopic policies with complete disregard to a long term strategy.
What you saw in the first test was a product of the PCB’s shortsightedness and not a denunciation of the talent and capabilities of our younger batsmen. There is no point to sending Akmal, Amin and Ali back to the training grounds of the PCB to hone their skills since those grounds will be useless in preparing them for the standard of swing and seam bowling prevalent in international cricket. Mohammad Yousuf, despite all the runs he has scored, is a product of the same system and I doubt his high back-lift and lazy wafts will repel Anderson and Broad. Our younger players will have to learn on the job so they might as well treat this series as the training their administration was too scared to provide them.
Source:
http://blog.dawn.com/2010/08/04/more...-less-excuses/
blahblahblah
International 12th Man
but like it or not he is the best batsman they have got now
Faisal1985
International Vice-Captain
^ True that.
Avada Kedavra
Banned
Umar Akmal is better.
Faisal1985
International Vice-Captain
Better then Yousuf??? 
blahblahblah
International 12th Man
u might better want to say he is a better talent
one becomes a bette rplayer after one establishes himself after series of performances ...
this guy hasnt even played a handful of tests
Avada Kedavra
Banned
"but like it or not he is the best batsman they have got now"
I am sorry,I misread but as Butt (Salman)
.Umar>Salman but obv Yousuf>both.
I am sorry,I misread but as Butt (Salman)
.Umar>Salman but obv Yousuf>both.
stumpski
International Captain
It's official - Yousuf won't be playing, and neither will Kamran Akmal.
Pakistan news: Kamran dropped for second Test | Cricket News | England v Pakistan 2010 | Cricinfo.com
Can Akmal survive this? Dropped for the second time in five Tests. Something similar happened to Geraint Jones and he hasn't been seen in an England shirt since.
Pakistan news: Kamran dropped for second Test | Cricket News | England v Pakistan 2010 | Cricinfo.com
Can Akmal survive this? Dropped for the second time in five Tests. Something similar happened to Geraint Jones and he hasn't been seen in an England shirt since.
Avada Kedavra
Banned
I hope not.They need a 'keeper who can catch.Whether or not he is good enough as a proper bat in the current scheme of things is a diff story.
Neil Pickup
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34 fluffed chances in 28 Tests is quite a remarkable record for all kinds of reasons...
Bob Willis on Sky is claiming that Yousuf ruled himself out on the grounds that he was in no fit state to play a Test match tomorrow morning. Fair call, I suppose - but all the signs are pointing to another interrogation at the hands of Messrs Anderson, Broad and Finn.
Bob Willis on Sky is claiming that Yousuf ruled himself out on the grounds that he was in no fit state to play a Test match tomorrow morning. Fair call, I suppose - but all the signs are pointing to another interrogation at the hands of Messrs Anderson, Broad and Finn.
Fusion
Global Moderator
Best. News. Ever.
Edit: And if his ****head brother even thinks of throwing some type of a temper tantrum over this and fakes an injury, I want him banned for life.
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Faisal1985
International Vice-Captain
This big news...ZQH is a good athlete and i hope he has a good test with the gloves but most importantly needs to score a maiden fifty...if he can do that in these testing conditions...he is in and the Akmal case is closed forever....please...i don't want to see Akmal again.......
LOL @ Fusion...i was about to say that....go check Umar's back at once someone!
Also, Hameed to play in the middle.....i am a fan of Hameed....and i think its time for him to settle back in....
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BoyBrumby
Englishman
Shame about Yousuf (much as I want England to win, a proper contest is nice) but calling up a 35 (IIRC) year old with no serious cricket for nearly six months was always a Hail Mary or whatever the Muslim equivalent of one is. Decision not to recall the younger man who is playing regularly looks even sillier now.
Great news aboout Kamran tho. Never overly want to kick a chap when down, but his keeping is just ploppy pants. Not like he's batting well either.
Great news aboout Kamran tho. Never overly want to kick a chap when down, but his keeping is just ploppy pants. Not like he's batting well either.