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Scorecard Draft

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pskov

International 12th Man
Noble One said:
Some pretty big selections in this round, some teams are looking mighty impressive already.

I'm resigning to the fact that my team will not appear all that flash on paper. Some selectors got lucky and had no picks in the arse end of cricketing history (i.e. pre 1920), where many others like myself had to make two selections from that time period.

/ cry-baby rant
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I've been working on a spreadsheet with every selection on it to prepare for an ITC sim at the conclusion of the draft. I've set it up so that it will recalculate player's averages based on the era they played in, i.e. bowlers who played in the 1890s will see their averages go up and batsman who played in the 2000s will see their averages go down. Not in a dramatic way that completely distorts everything, but just enough for a bit of a leveler.

So for example as you have Shrewsbury and Trumper who were two of the best batsman of their generation that had very high averages for the time they played, in the sim they will most likely be two of the better opening batsman.
 
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Noble One

Noble One

International Vice-Captain
Himannv said:
You got Trumper and Shrewsbury. Thats not the worst I reckon.
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No I'm not really complaining, but is is very hard to compare a couple of batsman who averaged in the mid-30's over a century ago with the likes of Ponting, Richards and Sachin. Even I would vote for the team who has the players averaging 50+, it is only natural.
 
weldone

weldone

Hall of Fame Member
pskov said:
I've been working on a spreadsheet with every selection on it to prepare for an ITC sim at the conclusion of the draft. I've set it up so that it will recalculate player's averages based on the era they played in, i.e. bowlers who played in the 1890s will see their averages go up and batsman who played in the 2000s will see their averages go down. Not in a dramatic way that completely distorts everything, but just enough for a bit of a leveler.

So for example as you have Shrewsbury and Trumper who were two of the best batsman of their generation that had very high averages for the time they played, in the sim they will most likely be two of the better opening batsman.
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Good job. I guess the 1930s and the 1940s was another era pretty favorable to batsmen, and not so good for bowlers (just like the 2000s). I also think that from the 1930s, the two decades that were most favorable to bowlers and least favorable to batsmen were probably the 80s and the 90s.

The difference in conditions between the 1990s and the 2000s has probably been the highest difference in conditions between any two consecutive decades.

One big similarity, though, between the 1990s and the 2000s has been that both the decades saw quite a few countries with absolute trash batsmen against quality spin bowling, :p .
 
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Somerset

Somerset

Cricketer Of The Year
pskov said:
I've been working on a spreadsheet with every selection on it to prepare for an ITC sim at the conclusion of the draft. I've set it up so that it will recalculate player's averages based on the era they played in, i.e. bowlers who played in the 1890s will see their averages go up and batsman who played in the 2000s will see their averages go down. Not in a dramatic way that completely distorts everything, but just enough for a bit of a leveler.

So for example as you have Shrewsbury and Trumper who were two of the best batsman of their generation that had very high averages for the time they played, in the sim they will most likely be two of the better opening batsman.
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That'd be fantastic if you could manage to include an adjusted average - I felt a touch cheated in the last draft I competed in having picked Grace and Ranji, as both their batting averages, due to the eras they played in, were much lower compared to modern day batsmen. Then again I did have George Lohmann run through batting line-ups like skittles so perhaps I shouldn't be complaining... :happy:
 
Shri

Shri

Mr. Glass
Well I have got a suggestion that will make it fair for the people who had to pick twice in the 1880-1920 era. How about we choose twelve players and replace one player in the XI at the end of the draft?
 
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pskov

International 12th Man
Noble One said:
No I'm not really complaining, but is is very hard to compare a couple of batsman who averaged in the mid-30's over a century ago with the likes of Ponting, Richards and Sachin. Even I would vote for the team who has the players averaging 50+, it is only natural.
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To give a specific example (which I'm wary to do too many of because I don't want people to draft specifically to get a good team for the sim via my spreadsheet. Even I am not considering these stats really when making my choices) - Trumper's average of 39.04 played mostly in the 1900s translates to an average of roughly 53 if he had played in the 2000s.
 
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Himannv

Himannv

Hall of Fame Member
pskov said:
To give a specific example (which I'm wary to do too many of because I don't want people to draft specifically to get a good team for the sim via my spreadsheet. Even I am not considering these stats really when making my choices) - Trumper's average of 39.04 played mostly in the 1900s translates to an average of roughly 53 if he had played in the 2000s.
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By that logic, I might as well open with Barlow. Played in the 1800's as an opener and was considered a darn good one at that, specially on crumbling pitches. Still, I think I'll keep him as my 2nd allrounder down the order all the same.
 
kingkallis

kingkallis

International Coach
Sim will be fine! We still have 6-7 good picks left and can concentrate on high % of averages from now on ;)
 
Himannv

Himannv

Hall of Fame Member
Shri said:
Well I have got a suggestion that will make it fair for the people who had to pick twice in the 1880-1920 era. How about we choose twelve players and replace one player in the XI at the end of the draft?
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Love the idea.
 
weldone

weldone

Hall of Fame Member
Back to the concept of adjusted average, I feel even when two players play in the same era, having the same adjustment to their averages might be unfair. For example, take the case of Viv Richards and Sunil Gavaskar. Gavaskar had to face Marshall, Garner, Holding, Roberts etc etc when Richards faced Indian bowlers among others. Unless this factor is taken care of in computing adjusted averages, it suffers from a basic flaw. Still, in the absence of a better method, anything and everything is fine as long as it adds to the fun.
 
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weldone

weldone

Hall of Fame Member
Himannv said:
Love the idea.
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Me too, lol...though I'd like the era to be described as the nineteenth century (rather than 1880-1920, it should be 1880-1900) because there were many great players in the period 1900-1920. For those who don't know, the era 1900-1914 is regarded as the golden era of test cricket by many including Neville Cardus.
 
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Himannv

Himannv

Hall of Fame Member
Round 1:
NUFAN - Muttiah Muralitharan
weldone - Adam Gilchrist
Noble One - Glenn Mcgrath
Cevno - Curtly Ambrose
Blakus - Vivian Richards
Himmanv - Imran Khan
honestbharani - Richard Hadlee
kingkallis - Malcolm Marshall
GI Joe - Brian Lara
Shri - Kumar Sangakkara
pskov - Shane Warne
HeathDavisSpeed - Jacques Kallis
Somerset - Sachin Tendulkar
marc71178 - Wasim Akram
Marcuss - Waqar Younis
Jamee999 - Ricky Ponting
Michaelf7777777 - Andy Flower
Riggins - Michael Slater

Round 2:
Riggins - Rahul Dravid
Michaelf7777777 - Shaun Pollock
Jamee999 - Courtney Walsh
Marcuss - Kapil Dev
marc71178 - Ian Botham
Somerset - Dennis Lillee
HeathDavisSpeed - Joel Garner
pskov - Sunil Gavaskar
Shri - Garry Sobers
GI Joe - Keith Miller
kingkallis - Donald Bradman
honestbharani - Wally Hammond
Himmanv - Jack Hobbs
Blakus - Sydney Barnes
Cevno - Wilfred Rhodes
Noble One - Clarrie Grimmett
weldone - George Headley
NUFAN - Fred Trueman

Round 3:
pskov - Alan Davidson
Jamee999 - Len Hutton
Marcuss - Les Ames
GI Joe - Herbert Sutcliffe
kingkallis - Aubrey Faulkner
Riggins - Charles Macartney
Michaelf7777777 - Colin Blythe
Shri - Hugh Trumble
weldone - George Lohmann
Blakus - Frederick Spofforth
NUFAN - Charlie Turner
Cevno - W.G Grace
Noble One - Victor Trumper
HeathDavisSpeed - Warwick Armstrong
Himmanv - Stanley Jackson
Somerset - Kumar Ranjitsinhji
marc71178 - Archie MacLaren
honestbharani - Johnny Briggs

Round 4:
marc71178 - Bobby Abel
honestbharani - Billy Barnes
Somerset - Billy Bates
Himmanv - Dick Barlow
HeathDavisSpeed - Tom Garrett
Noble One - Arthur Shrewsbury
Cevno - Bobby Peel
NUFAN - Allan Steel
Blakus - Billy Murdoch
weldone - George Ulyett
Shri - Syd Gregory
Michaelf7777777 - Frank Woolley
Riggins - Bill Voce
kingkallis - Bill O'Rielly
GI Joe - Ray Lindwall
Marcuss - Jim Laker
Jamee999 - Clyde Walcott
pskov - Neil Harvey

Round 5:

Shri - Alec Bedser
Jamee999 - Peter May
honestbharani - Graeme Pollock
Blakus - Ken Barrington
Cevno - Frank Tyson
Michaelf7777777 - Arthur Morris
Riggins
GI Joe
HeathDavisSpeed
kingkallis
Noble One
pskov
weldone
Marcuss
Himmanv
Somerset
marc71178
NUFAN

Round 6:
marc71178
NUFAN
Somerset
Himmanv
Marcuss
weldone
pskov
Noble One
kingkallis
HeathDavisSpeed
GI Joe
Riggins
Michaelf7777777
Cevno
Blakus
honestbharani
Jamee999
Shri
 
NUFAN

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
I probably would have went for Clem Hill over Allan Steel if I knew we were going to do a SIM for adjusted averages.
 
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