Gripping Averages Battle - Who Will Win?

[Furball]

But to a lot of these people, Bradman is just an average. An amazing average, but still only 99.94.

Sure these guys may be reasonably educated in cricket, but they don't know the awesomeness of some of his knocks. They don't know his career properly, so that plus their bias just results in them thinking Sachin is better because they watched him, whereas Bradman is just a black and white myth who only played against a few countries.

That being said, Nasser Hussain, who is most definitely educated in cricket terms, also holds the view that Sachin was better than Bradman, so you should probably stab his eyeballs too

Think it's impossible to rate Bradman accurately unless you've seen him.

Think it was Burgey a couple of months ago who listed off a long list of greats he'd seen live, and said he found it incredible to think that there has existed a player who was not only greater than the likes of Chappel, Lara, Tendulkar, Richards, Ponting etc, but better by the same statistical margain that those players are compared to batsmen of the calibre of Glenn McGrath.

 

[honestbharani]

he is the greatest..'nuff said. Trying to understand that greatness, I feel, is something beyond our powers, tbh.. Unless you were alive and watching cricket when he was strutting his stuff.

 

[GotSpin]

Think it's impossible to rate Bradman accurately unless you've seen him.

Think it was Burgey a couple of months ago who listed off a long list of greats he'd seen live, and said he found it incredible to think that there has existed a player who was not only greater than the likes of Chappel, Lara, Tendulkar, Richards, Ponting etc, but better by the same statistical margain that those players are compared to batsmen of the calibre of Glenn McGrath.

Just because you can't imagine a player being so much better than modern day greats doesn't mean his feats and status should be diminished whatsoever. I feel this train of thought is what leads to people questioning bradman. 'After seeing Tendulkar/Lara/Ponting etc, how can someone be so much better by such a large margin?'. This isn't meant to be an attack on your post or anything, but perhaps an explanation of why some try to talk down the achievements of Bradman. He will always be the best cricketer by a fair margin and there will never be another one like him while also arguably laying claim to best sportsman. In fact, if cricket was popular in America, he would surely be labelled as such rather than a boxer or tennis player holding the 'title'

In regards to imagining how he would have played, I think Ikki put it well in the last Bradman discussion - It will always annoy me that I could not have seen the greatest player in a game I follow so closely.

 

[Jono]

Ikki also has a quote in his signature of Gidgeon Haigh saying we're more likely to see another Bradman than Warne.

 

[GotSpin]

Ikki also has a quote in his signature of Gidgeon Haigh saying we're more likely to see another Bradman than Warne.

Yeah I know the one, but I was just borrowing what Ikki said about Bradman playing

 

[Jono]

I'm not having a go at Ikki there, just saying that let's not pretend that only Indians don't appreciate Bradman because some of them think Tendulkar is better.

As I said, firstly you've had respected cricket journalists share that view for some weird reason.

For me Bradman is clearly the greatest cricketer ever. Tendulkar isn't close to him, and neither is Warne, Viv or whomever else have been distinct champions of our time.

 

[GotSpin]

I'm not having a go at Ikki there, just saying that let's not pretend that only Indians don't appreciate Bradman because some of them think Tendulkar is better.

As I said, firstly you've had respected cricket journalists share that view for some weird reason.

For me Bradman is clearly the greatest cricketer ever. Tendulkar isn't close to him, and neither is Warne, Viv or whomever else have been distinct champions of our time.

IMO, a lot of respected cricket journalists and retired players only say that to write a story, create 'headlines' or hype for an emerging player or prop up a cricketer they played against.

Also, I wasn't suggesting only Indians don't appreciate Bradman. God knows we don't need Windieweathers coming in here again and arguing about Sobers.

 

[Furball]

It's incredible to think that someone like Sir Viv is closer to Chris Martin in terms of batting average than he is to Don Bradman.

 

[GIMH]

Ha, what a thought!!

 

[slowfinger]

Can't see how Bradman scored that many hundreds without getting bored at one stage

 

[Ikki]

Ikki also has a quote in his signature of Gidgeon Haigh saying we're more likely to see another Bradman than Warne.

I'm not sure how that detracts from his point. Also, it appears you've misunderstood what Haigh meant because in the context of the quote it makes sense.

 

[Pratters]

I didn't get the context and I scanned through the thread but I came across some thing like Ponting has a disadvantage compared to Tendulkar as Tendulkar started his career earlier? Surely playing as a kid aged 15 you are disadvantaged when compared with some one who debuts much later in his career. I might be missing a cue some where but I don't get it.

 

[Jono]

I'm not sure how that detracts from his point. Also, it appears you've misunderstood what Haigh meant because in the context of the quote it makes sense.

I understand the context, that Warne was a unique character. I still disagree with the idea that you'll likely get a Bradman again than a Warne.

I can easily say that there is less likely to be a Tendulkar, a guy that starts from 16 and scores as many centuries and runs as he does, with such humility, than a Bradman.

But I won't, because its incorrect.

 

[Ikki]

How is it incorrect? It's an opinion.

 

[Migara]

Opinions are lik assholes. Everybody has one. And some stinks more than others.

 

[Avada Kedavra]

Opinions are lik assholes. Everybody has one. And some stinks more than others.

And nobody wants to see anyone else's

 

[TumTum]

And nobody wants to see anyone else's

More like we want to alter everyones opinion to match our own.

 

[Migara]

And nobody wants to see anyone else's

 

[G.I.Joe]

I don't know. I'd like to get stuck into my missus' opinion, but she won't let me

 

[The Sean]

I don't know. I'd like to get stuck into my missus' opinion, but she won't let me

WAG