Gripping Averages Battle - Who Will Win?

[Pratters]

OT slightly, but I was having a discussion with a friend of mine (Indian living in Australia) who is quite learned about cricket and he was saying how he and a few friends were having a discussion about Tendulkar and Bradman and three out of the four of them (including him) said they rate Tendulkar slightly better than Bradman.

This dead set knocked me over. I find it amazing that some people would actually have this opinion, regardless of bias.

Suffice to say I stabbed his eye balls out with a fork.

 

[Migara]

Lots of idiots play Test cricket.

Lot's of idiots don't play test cricket as well. They turn out to do other jobs.

 

[Sir Alex]

TBF, since Tendulkar is arguably not even the best of his generation, that assertion is ridiculous because it also suggests the likes of Ponting/Lara/Richards/Chappell/etc are just as good as Bradman.

"deja vu"

 

[Sir Alex]

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[Sir Alex]

The assertion was made that the best FC player would automatically find a place in the Test team. As aforesaid, that's not necessarily been the case. And one that would be 15 would probably be risked likely even less. Also, 20 and 15 are quite different.

Not much in Australia. Kids usually ensure they finish their education etc (in england too, I admire that), before compleley commiting to cricket. So 15 is imho all the same as 20, the real growth happens between 20-25. 15 and all is criminally underage. you are not permitted to have ***, drink beer, drive car, but you face rocks hurled at you at 150 kmph. Ridiculous.

 

[Sir Alex]

Sachin has showed that he is a better batsman than these two by sustaining two peaks in his career.. most batsman hardly manage one, Ponting and Kallis did though. It is highly unlikely that Ponting and Kallis shall repeat their peaks considering eveything. Among the two, I like Ponting more.

 

[Teja.]

Could be the best sportsman ever.

Only between me and him tbh.

 

[G.I.Joe]

It's pretty interesting, the battle between these three giants:

SR Tendulkar (1989-2010) 13 447 @ 55.56
JH Kallis (1995-2010) 11 083 @ 55.13
PT Ponting (1995-2010) 11 928 @ 55.22

Who will win the averages battle and why?

And who do you think is the best player (although this question could degenerate into a bit of a dog's breakfast).

You think?

 

[Burgey]

Not much in Australia. Kids usually ensure they finish their education etc (in england too, I admire that), before compleley commiting to cricket. So 15 is imho all the same as 20, the real growth happens between 20-25. 15 and all is criminally underage. you are not permitted to have ***, drink beer, drive car, but you face rocks hurled at you at 150 kmph. Ridiculous.

But if you start 5 years later, it's clearly more difficult to have a 20 year career, isn't it?

 

[Cruxdude]

But if you start 5 years later, it's clearly more difficult to have a 20 year career, isn't it?

Starting at 16 also has its disadvantages. Facing Wasim, Waqar and Imran at such a young age can be a potential career finisher.

BTW, I think Sachin might end up with a career nearly 25 years long.

 

[GotSpin]

Those chaps were made to wait because they had no spot. Just like how The likes of Badri were unable to make it to national team due to presence of big 4.

See the boot is on the other foot now. Australia is pushing hardly 20 guys like smith, hughes, josh etc which was unthinkable a few years back.

Sachin was indeed fortuitous to make his debut at such a young age, but it's challenging too because few failures and he could've been consigned to bench forever.

Yes because all these guys have been playing heaps of test cricket...

 

[Sir Alex]

But if you start 5 years later, it's clearly more difficult to have a 20 year career, isn't it?

What cruxdude said. Not many who started between 15-20 have gone to have 20 year careers, ever, at International level since War days.

Starting at 16 also has its disadvantages. Facing Wasim, Waqar and Imran at such a young age can be a potential career finisher.

BTW, I think Sachin might end up with a career nearly 25 years long.

Yes, the determination was evident when Waqar broke his nose in his first match against them, and he denied any assistance, wiped off the blood, and cracked the next one for four. That takes more than 15 yr old balls.

Yes because all these guys have been playing heaps of test cricket...

Bowlers don't bowl at 150 kmph or batsmen don't hit as hard in ODIs as they do in test cricket?

Hughes has already made his test debut. Smith is in line for it. Josh is obviously pushed on to international stage because he is a test prospect and if he continues to have a good run, I can see him debuting fairly soon.

 

[GotSpin]

Bowlers don't bowl at 150 kmph or batsmen don't hit as hard in ODIs as they do in test cricket?

Hughes has already made his test debut. Smith is in line for it. Josh is obviously pushed on to international stage because he is a test prospect and if he continues to have a good run, I can see him debuting fairly soon.

You made it out to sound like Australia are now scrapping the barrel looking for the youngest emerging talent possible when its simply a matter of giving some players international experience.

 

[honestbharani]

You made it out to sound like Australia are now scrapping the barrel looking for the youngest emerging talent possible when its simply a matter of giving some players international experience.

It is not exactly scraping the barrel, but neither were India scraping the barrel in 89... It is just a case of people coming along who they rate will be better at their best than the guys currently in their spots.. I am pretty sure blokes in the Aussie Cricket hierarchy think Smith will have a better career than Hauritz and that Hazel would have a better career than say Siddle.. This was not happening when McGrath and Warne were around, was it? I think that is what SA is trying to put across..

 

[DingDong]

there can never be enough tendulkar vs lara vs ponting threads

 

[GotSpin]

It is not exactly scraping the barrel, but neither were India scraping the barrel in 89... It is just a case of people coming along who they rate will be better at their best than the guys currently in their spots.. I am pretty sure blokes in the Aussie Cricket hierarchy think Smith will have a better career than Hauritz and that Hazel would have a better career than say Siddle.. This was not happening when McGrath and Warne were around, was it? I think that is what SA is trying to put across..

It's a valid view in some respects but as usual SA can't help but take jabs at Australia whenever he can and the way he said the above post was another example

 

[honestbharani]

It's a valid view in some respects but as usual SA can't help but take jabs at Australia whenever he can and the way he said the above post was another example

Fair enough.. I just hope you guys don't paint all Indian posters with the same brush though..

 

[Sir Alex]

It's a valid view in some respects but as usual SA can't help but take jabs at Australia whenever he can and the way he said the above post was another example

I can't help if you are reading my posts with Australotinged glasses. Everything I post will appear to be Anti Australian by that measure.

 

[GotSpin]

I can't help if you are reading my posts with Australotinged glasses. Everything I post will appear to be Anti Australian by that measure.

It's because almost every post is anti-Australian

 

[GotSpin]

Fair enough.. I just hope you guys don't paint all Indian posters with the same brush though..

errrrr, about that...