Fast bowler survival round 1 - please vote

[Ikki]

Not sure it's the same. Their peaks are remarkably awesome, but Botham really fell off whereas Waqar didn't to that extent. Botham's career is like a tale of two completely different bowlers. Botham from the India seris in 81 till the end of his career 36.43 and struck at 66.8 balls per wicket; for 61 of his 102 tests. I don't know when he exactly started falling off but was looking at his cumulative averages and he appeared to start going downhill then.

Fair enough, though, if that's the reason - that he had a blistering start.

 

[NUFAN]

Group C
Alan Davidson
Keith Miller
Dale Steyn
Ian Botham
Peter Pollock
Bob Willis


Group D
Wasim Akram
Joel Garner
Shoaib Akhtar
Frederick Spofforth
Kapil Dev

 

[pasag]

Group C

Alan Davidson
Dale Steyn
Keith Miller
Bob Willis
Ian Botham
Peter Pollock

Group D

Wasim Akram
Frederick Spofforth
Joel Garner
Shoaib Akhtar
Kapil Dev

 

[morgieb]

Not sure it's the same. Their peaks are remarkably awesome, but Botham really fell off whereas Waqar didn't to that extent. Botham's career is like a tale of two completely different bowlers. Botham from the India seris in 81 till the end of his career 36.43 and struck at 66.8 balls per wicket; for 61 of his 102 tests. I don't know when he exactly started falling off but was looking at his cumulative averages and he appeared to start going downhill then.

Fair enough, though, if that's the reason - that he had a blistering start.

Nah, can see you point, but for the first half of his career Botham was awesome. Botham went great > average > crap, though Waqar went world-class > very good and slowly declined from there.

 

[Teja.]

But what a first half it was though. Could make the same argument regarding Waqar as well.

Waqar went from being the greatest bowler the world has seen to a bowler with an amazing strike rate but lost his destructive streak hence averaging in the mid-lower twenties for the rest of his career and ended his Career statistically very much in contention for being considered the best after Barnes.

Botham's peak was smexie but slightly worse off compared to Waqar(When Bowling alone is considered) and totally fell apart losing both his destructive streak AND consistency ending his career with an average inching thirty which does no justice to the bowler he was.

 

[Teja.]

Nah, can see you point, but for the first half of his career Botham was awesome. Botham went great > average > crap, though Waqar went world-class > very good and slowly declined from there.

In your post is World-class>great or vice-versa?

 

[Himannv]

In your post is World-class>great or vice-versa?

I think those symbols indicate arrows as opposed to greater than or less than symbols.

 

[stephen]

My votes for groups C and D

Group C

Davidson
Willis
Miller
Steyn
Pollock
Botham

Group D

Garner
Spofforth
Akram
Akhtar
Dev

 

[stephen]

Groups C and D are now closed. I will compile the results. Meanwhile, groups E and F are open.

Group C Results

1.60 - Davidson
3.10 - Steyn
3.43 - Miller
4.17 - Willis
4.27 - Botham
4.43 - Pollock

Players in red are eliminated. The numbers next to the names are average ranks. Only Davidson did not get ranked 6 by anybody. Every single player was ranked in at least 5 different positions. Steyn is the first wildcard to make it through to the next round.

Group D Results

1.47 - Akram
1.73 - Garner
3.07 - Spofforth
4.13 - Akhtar
4.60 - Dev

Group E

Fred Trueman - Fred Trueman | England Cricket | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com
Allan Donald - Allan Donald | South Africa Cricket | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com
Glenn McGrath - Glenn McGrath | Australia Cricket | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com
Alec Bedser - Sir Alec Bedser | England Cricket | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com
Jack Gregory - Jack Gregory | Australia Cricket | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com

Group F

George Lohmann - George Lohmann | England Cricket | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com
Courtney Walsh - Courtney Walsh | West Indies Cricket | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com
Harold Larwood - Harold Larwood | England Cricket | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com
Malcolm Marshall - Malcolm Marshall | West Indies Cricket | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com
John Snow - John Snow | England Cricket | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com

And you guys thought group C was bad

I will allow the entire weekend for votes on Groups E and F.

 

[Goughy]

Group E

Glenn McGrath
Fred Trueman
Allan Donald
Alec Bedser
Jack Gregory

Group F

Malcolm Marshall
Harold Larwood
John Snow
George Lohmann
Courtney Walsh

 

[Teja.]

I think those symbols indicate arrows as opposed to greater than or less than symbols.

Nah, what I want to know is whether he considers Botham's bowling peak to be better than Waqar's bowling peak or vice versa.

 

[marc71178]

Group E

Glenn McGrath
Fred Trueman
Allan Donald
Alec Bedser
Jack Gregory

Group F

Malcolm Marshall
Harold Larwood
Courtney Walsh
George Lohmann
John Snow

 

[Athlai]

Group E

Glenn McGrath
Fred Trueman
Allan Donald
Alec Bedser
Jack Gregory

Group F

Malcolm Marshall
Harold Larwood
Courtney Walsh
George Lohmann
John Snow

 

[Ikki]

Group E

Glenn McGrath
Allan Donald
Fred Trueman
Alec Bedser
Jack Gregory

Group F

Malcolm Marshall
Harold Larwood
John Snow
George Lohmann
Courtney Walsh

 

[Teja.]

Fred Trueman
Glenn McGrath
Allan Donald
Alec Bedser
Jack Gregory



Malcolm Marshall
George Lohmann
Courtney Walsh
Harold Larwood
John Snow

 

[grecian]

Group E

Glenn McGrath
Fred Trueman
Alec Bedser
Allan Donald
Jack Gregory

Group F

Malcolm Marshall
Harold Larwood
George Lohmann
John Snow
Courtney Walsh

 

[Himannv]

Ahh, my two outstanding favourites, Marshall and McGrath.

Group E

Glenn McGrath
Fred Trueman
Allan Donald
Alec Bedser
Jack Gregory

Group F

Malcolm Marshall
Harold Larwood
George Lohmann
Courtney Walsh
John Snow

 

[stephen]

http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/cri...rvival-round-1-please-vote-6.html#post2211870

I have updated this post with the winners of the last two groups.

I am also giving until Sunday night for votes on Groups E and F.

 

[stephen]

That was bloody brutal.

To work out the averages I do up a grid of players vs positions. I count up the number of times a player appeared in a particular position. Groups A and B had 32 voters and group A had 10 grid positions (out of 25 with 1 vote or more) with a score of 10 or higher and group B had 9 (out of 21 with 1 vote or more), indicating that both were relatively clearcut. Group D had 7 out of 17.

Group C had 32 grid positions with 1 vote or more, but only 3 of those had 10 votes or more.

To simplify - Groups A, B and D all had between 40-42% of the votes clustered (10 or more people voted for the same person in the same position), while Group C had under 10% of the votes clustered.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

McGrath
Trueman
Donald
Bedser
Gregory

Marshall
Walsh
Larwood
Lohmann
Snow