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*Official* Indian Premier League 2010

Stapel

International Regular
Bring allegations of racism to simple performance over country selection, and expect to get away with it lightly?

One interesting point. Should Mi win today, they'd finish with 11 wins. Now, if some other team eventually goes to win the IPL, and Mi fail to win even 3rd place face off, they'd have the misfortune of returning empty handed despite having won the maximum number of matches in the tournament. :laugh:
MI won't win :) .

KKR will beat them by 111 runs, so they will make it to the semis........
 

social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Geez you guys are brutal, it's not as if social's the first person on the site to have got a prediction wrong (:ph34r:)
Mate, I didnt "predict" anything

I simply stated the obvious, namely that Sir Alex's conspiracy theories were nonsense and that you couldnt criticise Harris on his performances in the last few games
 
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Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Let's look at how much the background of IPL team owners is linked to their team's performance, and whether it makes a difference. So far, we've had owners from old economy, new economy/services, enterprises in multiple businesses, management groups, and of course, Bollywood. Looking at the performances in the three seasons of IPL and the first CL, you get some rather clear figures.

In the 2008 season of the IPL, when it began, Rajasthan Royals won the tournament. They were run by Emerging Media/Investors In Cricket, a management group. On the field, with the players, Shane Warne handled everything. He managed his players as captain and coach, and did a good job with them. The other semi-finalists were Chennai (Finalists, owned by India Cements, manufacturing), Delhi (GMR, Infrastructure) and Kings XI Punjab (Preity Zinta, Bollywood actress amongst others). While Preity's team did rather well, they somehow didn't quite make it, and even axed five domestic Indian players on the way. The other Bollywood-owned team, Kolkata Knight Riders (SRK), were patchy, before ultimately ending a failure. They too axed some domestic players, which became a news-spinner, and one eventually left the franchise.

In the 2009 season, Deccan Chargers (Deccan Chronicle, media) won the tournament, pipping Royal Challengers Bangalore (Vijay Mallya, lifestyle/services/you know what) to the post. The other semi-finalists were again Delhi (GMR, infrastructure) and Chennai (India Cements, manufacturing). None of the Bollywood teams made it. Kings XI never recovered from the rocky start in the series and were out last, while Rajasthan Royals, with actress Shilpa Shetty getting some stake, axed some Indian players, and floundered throughout the season. Kolkata Knight Riders were a failure of epic proportions. There was also a hard-fought bid war between two Bollywood-owned teams for a Bangladesh pacer, where one team went for it purely for the image, while another had the flawed reasoning as a replacement for a top player. That Bangladesh pacer was a huge flop, getting only one game and giving it away, while the other team picked up a very cheap South African who did well for them. Of all the teams in the Champs League, none of them made the semis, with IPL winners Deccan getting knocked out in the first stage by less-fancied Somerset and T&T.

Now, there are no Bollywood teams in the semis yet again. Kings XI Punjab were dross throughout the series, as also Kolkata, except in patches. Rajasthan Royals were a failure again, bar a five-match winning streak. Mumbai (Reliance Industries, old and new economy) eventually made the semis for the first time. The others were the same as in the 2009 edition, again lifestyle/media/cement.

Does it give a hint of who's better at running a cricket team? Maybe, if you look at who they are and how they work. The business enterprises try to run it as a business, yet, at the same time, make it look meaningful- as against the most profitable Kolkata never making the semis even once. They seem to do a lot of research on their players and what's needed, when they go in to auction, or appointing support staff. The Bollywood folks, in comparison, seem to treat it more like a means of publicity and a televised holiday, and the teams had axed their Indian players more so because they wanted to accommodate friends and associates, rather than for any operational reason. To sum this up, knowledge, operational skills and possibly business acumen, and not glamour, call the shots in this glamorous event.

If Indian state teams are thrown open for ownership, I'd prefer to see the BCCI keep Tinseltown far, far away from the bidding.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Personally I think Kolkata are failing because of leadership on the field.
That's a contentious issue. They've had a captaincy change every edition, and even that bizarre four-captain theory in 2009. Maybe on the field, maybe off it, but ultimately, it's SRK's team, less so Ganguly's, Buchanan's, Whatmore's or McCullum's.
 

Sir Alex

Banned
Guys, I haven't been watching the matches, but a question about last night's match, in which I understand Dhoni scored 16 off the last over to win the match. A couple of guys at my work were saying that they thought the young bloke bowling to Dhoni had bowled that over suspiciously poorly, essentially they were saying that either the match was fixed, or that the young guy had served Dhoni up some dollies (hey that kinda rhymes) in order to ingratiate himself to the national captain.

I'm not asserting this is what happened - as I said I didn't watch the match, and don't normally talk to the guys who were saying this about cricket, so I don't know how credible they are. I simply wanted to ask the knowledgeable people here who did watch it: is what they described, in terms of the scenario, correct? And did people think that the kid bowling maybe wasn't trying his hardest? I had a quick look through the thread but couldn't see anything on it.

EDIT: Lol, I just found the match report on Cricinfo and saw that the 'young kid' was Irfan Pathan - I think I've got my context to indicate exactly how seriously I should take those guys at work... 8-)
Don't think you could ever please your national captain by underperforming. What ridiculous crap.
 

Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
I didn't see the game with Dhoni scoring 16 off the last over the other night. Did he bat brilliantly or was it poor bowling. Some guys at work thought the bowler (Irfan Pathan I understand) stuffed up badly.
 

Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
Don't think you could ever please your national captain by underperforming. What ridiculous crap.
Yeah, agreed. I found and read the match report after posting that, and deleted the post because it was obviously rubbish. I've rephrased the question in a more sensible way above.
 

Sir Alex

Banned
I didn't see the game with Dhoni scoring 16 off the last over the other night. Did he bat brilliantly or was it poor bowling. Some guys at work thought the bowler (Irfan Pathan I understand) stuffed up badly.
He bowled two half volleys which were whacked for sixes. Although one of them was a foot and half outside off stump which Dhoni somehow fetched and deposited over midwicket. A lesser player might have top edged it or would've driven it through off.

It was more of deathly batting than rubbish bowling.

To those who doubt Dhoni's hitting ability, please check out the score card
of the match in which Sachin hit 200.
 

Bobisback

International Regular
I didn't see the game with Dhoni scoring 16 off the last over the other night. Did he bat brilliantly or was it poor bowling. Some guys at work thought the bowler (Irfan Pathan I understand) stuffed up badly.
Dhoni was amazing, but they're right, Pathan screwed up, should have been going for yorkers, but was giving them to Dhoni to hit.
 

vic_orthdox

Global Moderator
He bowled two half volleys which were whacked for sixes. Although one of them was a foot and half outside off stump which Dhoni somehow fetched and deposited over midwicket. A lesser player might have top edged it or would've driven it through off.

It was more of deathly batting than rubbish bowling.

To those who doubt Dhoni's hitting ability, please check out the score card
of the match in which Sachin hit 200.
Haha, nah, they were both ordinary balls for a death over. Wasn't super wide, and even so at that length you'd back them to go somewhere at that stage of the game.

Just not the 3km that Dhoni sent it!
 

Cruxdude

International Debutant
Chennnnnaaiiii!!! What a win!!! Was travelling during the game and when I heard KXIP scored 192 thought it was curtains. Really awesome display. Now DC in the semis. Think we will go to the finals. Don't think we will lose thrice to DC in a year. Hayden should turn up for the semis. Him powering the innings at the top will make Chennai a different team to the inconsistent one now.
 

sirdj

State Vice-Captain
I didn't see the game with Dhoni scoring 16 off the last over the other night. Did he bat brilliantly or was it poor bowling. Some guys at work thought the bowler (Irfan Pathan I understand) stuffed up badly.
It was a bit of both, Dhoni being a deadly finisher and Irfan bowling crap. As regards the under-performing claims, Irfan has always been the kinda player on the team who is a bit of goody two-shoes. He does not sledge & will never make headlines for stuff off the pitch.

At one point of time he when he was doing well he was as popular with the female fans as Yuvraj Singh, but one never heard of any such antics as with Yuvraj. Would be a bit out of character if he underperformed.

IMO he is low on confidence and not a very good bowler at the death.

Besides Dhoni should have been out on the second ball when he hit a skier and Chawla did not run in fast enough.
 
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GGG

State Captain
cricinfo "Mumbai have decided to bat first. That rules out Kolkata mathematically as well"

No chance of going through but what difference does it make to overall run rate if they bat second?
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Batting 2nd you can't get the equivalent of a 175 run win. Even if u bowled them out extremely cheaply.
 

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