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Prince EWS
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The only thing that worries me about White is that he if he isn't hitting out he actually tends to be a bit slow. He doesn't rotate the strike as well as most of the other middle order bats around so if he gets a start and then gets out it could really cost the team.
Spark
Global Moderator
This is actually a reasonable point. Probably why he seems better suited to 5 than 4. Now that Clarke is starting to show that he can do the Hussey drop-and-run a little bit better than last year, White needs to do the same.
Having said that, once he gets going there's no real problems with how he bats. Still looks a little bit suspect against the ball moving into him but that's so common amongst modern-day players it's not funny...
Howsie
International Captain
Ryder
Guptill
Williamson
Taylor
Styris
Elliott
McCullum
Vettori
Mills
Southee
Bond
In the near future hopefully.
Southee is a promising bowler, but he's as expensive as anything in ODI cricket and is not particuarly incisive anyway. He's also a green-deck specialist - and you don't get many of those decks in ODI cricket. I'd probably stick with Tuffey if at all possible. Oram would be a decent bowling option if he could get on the park.
cbuts
International Debutant
only missing Mills there, but otherwise pretty dam good team!
Franklin and Broom been given a number of chances now.... time to forget about them We have been persisting with Franklin at or around 5 for a couple of years now. Didnt he bat at 5 against England in the tests a few seasons ago?
stephen
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
A much better choice than Clarke IMO. No point having your best batsman (which Clarke IMO will be) burdened with the captaincy if he isn't actually a particularly good captain. White has "runs on the board" in that sense.
Spark
Global Moderator
Would point out that the most recent three captains up to now weren't overly burdened by this. However it is a reasonable argument.
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
Mark Taylor wasn't the best batsman in his side though, at the time. At the very least, not a "standout".
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He'd have to be brought into the test team pretty soon to be next in line for the captaincy, wouldn't he?
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
I tend to agree with this, but there are arguments the other way as well. Firstly, it's never desirable for your captain's actual place in the team as a batsman/bowler to come under question so if someone like White, who may or may not be the best option for the Test team at any given time, was captain it could create a sticky situation should he lose form. At the very least you do want someone who has firmly cemented his place in the team to avoid this. There's also a lot to say for a captain who leads from the front and demands respect as a player, too - I personally find it a lot easier to be motivated by someone I look up to as a player.
I do like the White as captain option, but that's because I think he's a vastly superior tactician and a much more natural leader. I don't think the fact that he's not the best batsman in the side should really be a tick alongside his name and I'd definitely like to see him really has his place cemented for a year before I gave it to him as well, and he's not even in the team at the moment.
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
White keeps impressing. He is not only putting runs on the board, he is putting them when it matters. That kind of maturity is priceless for someone at his age. His slip fielding and future potential as captain should put him in good stead for a future #6 spot. I almost hope North fails in NZ just to see how White goes.
If north fails and we don't go for smith,then khawajah for sure the best domestic middle order batsmen the last 18 months the most consistent,best white has done in 4 dayers was a 100 in the sheffield shield,he has not been one of the classy first class order batsmen going around.
Sir Alex
Banned
He is 27
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
I should have said "comparatively".
Pretty much everyone bar Clarke and Watson are in their 30s in the Australian line-up, and even they're older than White.
Sir Alex
Banned
Boys generally become men by 27. I took exception at the superflous description "That kind of maturity is priceless for someone at his age".
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
If you look at the Australian line-up, bar Ponting and possibly Hussey, I don't see many who are much older who have played very important knocks. Clarke's played some but I wouldn't bet much money on him if the occasion arose tomorrow, for example. There is something about White that just keeps shining through. He has made runs in moments where his wicket could essentially hand over the match or swing the momentum a lot.
As you can tell I'm a fan and exaggerating a bit. He hasn't done it in Tests but he just looks the part.
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Meridio
International Regular
Am up in Auckland for the week, so went along to the game yesterday. Was not impressed with our batting at all. Every single one of our top five got out to soft dismissals. It's endlessly frustrating, especially Guptill, who for about the millionth time was looking fantastic but got himself out. Don't know why Stewart came in ahead of Styris either. Was also really frustrated that Franklin got out when he did, was hoping for a rescue effort from him, if only to shut up the bogan ****wits sitting near me.
Got thrown a lifeline by the Duckworth-Lewis, but unfortunately our bowling was rubbish too, except the usual suspects. How many long hops did we bowl to Ponting? Ridiculous.
Got thrown a lifeline by the Duckworth-Lewis, but unfortunately our bowling was rubbish too, except the usual suspects. How many long hops did we bowl to Ponting? Ridiculous.
To be fair, Tuffey did have him plumb LBW early in his innings. In saying that, the bowling wasn't much chop afterwards, but that being given was pretty much our only chance of cutting down Aussies top order.
