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Michael Clarke Discussion thread
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Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
For those who can't be bothered, it is worth looking at but posts of the sort are not absolutely unheard-of on CW:
'Wally' said:
No, but they're very rare, even from more biased or crappier posters. I don't even think that someone like bond21 used such an intellectually dishonest argument when talking about players Test performances (yeah, if you exclude hundreds and not outs, a players average does tend to go down
) and it's not like anyone gives a **** about 20/20 anyway. Wally must also be dyslexic because Clarke has not been averaging 27 in ODI cricket.I have seen these kinds of posts in other forums, but not on CricketWeb.
Maybe we should be grateful that Wally can spell his own name, though. Posts like the above make me doubt that he can do much more.
My thoughts as of Tuesday on this whole affair:
1) Lara Bingle is clearly a 'piece of work', so to speak. (Allegedly) cheating on her fiance, trying to influence her fiance's actions and behaviour? She reminds me of quite a few young Anglosphere women these days (not all, obviously). Living for physical and material pleasure only, narcissistic, lacking any kind of morality or even introspection where past behaviour is concerned and last but not least, utterly shameless. She is a contradiction: hurting those who care for her without a thought (like Michael Clarke) and cavorting with those who at the very least don't really care for her. She deserves far worse than a mere dumping.
2) Michael Clarke is a bit of a pretty-boy and can be irritating at times, but he doesn't strike me as being a particularly bad person. I don't know his exact motives right at this very moment. He could be heading home for a number of reasons. Remember - just because the media reports it doesn't make it accurate (much of what Neil Harvey opines is arguably defamatory).
3) If Michael Clarke is heading home just to comfort Lara Bingle - well, that's nice of him, but she doesn't deserve any comfort after behaving the way she has. Clarke would merely be cheapening his own moral standards (i.e - by implying that it's OK for others to cheat and behave like a primadonna) by doing this. This clearly wouldn't be a very good judgement (necessary as a captain, particularly where the media's concerned) and it may not be worth the risk to find out whether his poor judgement is limited to relationships, with other competent leaders in the side.
1) Lara Bingle is clearly a 'piece of work', so to speak. (Allegedly) cheating on her fiance, trying to influence her fiance's actions and behaviour? She reminds me of quite a few young Anglosphere women these days (not all, obviously). Living for physical and material pleasure only, narcissistic, lacking any kind of morality or even introspection where past behaviour is concerned and last but not least, utterly shameless. She is a contradiction: hurting those who care for her without a thought (like Michael Clarke) and cavorting with those who at the very least don't really care for her. She deserves far worse than a mere dumping.
2) Michael Clarke is a bit of a pretty-boy and can be irritating at times, but he doesn't strike me as being a particularly bad person. I don't know his exact motives right at this very moment. He could be heading home for a number of reasons. Remember - just because the media reports it doesn't make it accurate (much of what Neil Harvey opines is arguably defamatory).
3) If Michael Clarke is heading home just to comfort Lara Bingle - well, that's nice of him, but she doesn't deserve any comfort after behaving the way she has. Clarke would merely be cheapening his own moral standards (i.e - by implying that it's OK for others to cheat and behave like a primadonna) by doing this. This clearly wouldn't be a very good judgement (necessary as a captain, particularly where the media's concerned) and it may not be worth the risk to find out whether his poor judgement is limited to relationships, with other competent leaders in the side.
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Spark
Global Moderator
Honestly, we should just wait and see what the hell is going on. I'm almost certain that there is much much much more to this than the media reports suggest (I mean, since when did we trust tabloids and trash mags for quality, precise investigative journalism?). I'm also fairly certain that Clarke has been around excellent leaders - and next to probably one of the best man-managers you'll find in Ricky Ponting - and in a leadership role himself for too long to not have fully weighed up this decision and understand the potential consequences of poor judgement. So I don't think he's done something stupid here. It's also worth bearing in mind that Ponting, Hilditch et. al have been nothing short of fully supportive of Clarke thus far and have been quite clear in saying "1. He's having a break for personal matters 2. We fully support his decision and will give him as long as he needs and 3. Give him some room, because he needs it." - of course this is no guarantee that this is genuine support and not just "team solidarity" but it would be extremely imprudent to assume otherwise. So I don't think this will have a massive impact, in the short term, on his status as a leader. And I still think he'll still be a shoe-in for captain, assuming this all plays out reasonably well and he doesn't do anything idiotic. It's also worth bearing in mind that he does still have a very reasonable - in fact, much more than I expected - amount of public support (although that's very very difficult to gauge at the best of times).
Having said all that...
Clarke is one of my favourite players, probably at the top of my list. But my intuition isn't best pleased with how this whole thing has panned out thus far...
Having said all that...
Clarke is one of my favourite players, probably at the top of my list. But my intuition isn't best pleased with how this whole thing has panned out thus far...
Streetwise
Banned
Man this is sad. Should be pulled.
Why? Judging by her behaviour in the past, it seems to be true (although I wrote that in a particularly bad mood). She seems not to have overly valued their relationship - although it's all innuendo, she apparently wasn't all that surprised when Michael Clarke broke the relationship off. That could be part of the reason why.
But if the mods find it unacceptable, I'm sure they'll delete the post. That's just the way I see it. I have little sympathy for those who cheat on their partners or cavort with men who don't see them as anything other than a temporary fling. Clarke, FWIW, saw her as far more than that until this week.
And yes, I have come across quite a few women who behaved like I described above. This site contains a veritable treasure trove of nightmarish relationships in the US (not promoting):
Don’t Marry
Saddening, but true.
BTW, I posted this on another forum with no apparent problems, so I didn't mean any malice by posting it here.
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Well, here is all the info:
From model behaviour to mayhem, Lara ... - Google News
Much of it is ambiguous, but if they haven't already broken up, they're about to. The Herald-Sun (I think) stated that they had, but that's not the greatest paper, admittedly.
andyc
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Sounds an awful lot like racism there, DaRick...
Not intended. I'm part-Anglo myself.
I'll explain it thus: I thought of her as a bitch who happens to be an Anglo-Saxon woman. Being racist towards Anglo-Saxon people would be self-defeating in my case.
But it you dislike the post, feel free to remove it.
Actually, were the other two parts of the post fine?
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pasag
RTDAS
If he loses the captaincy over this, it'll be awesome.
The irony of it all is, of course, that he gets the captaincy for reasons other than cricket and he loses it for reasons other than cricket.
But how good he is tactically never comes into play.
Maybe now they'll give the best man the job, whoever that is.
The irony of it all is, of course, that he gets the captaincy for reasons other than cricket and he loses it for reasons other than cricket.
But how good he is tactically never comes into play.
Maybe now they'll give the best man the job, whoever that is.
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
I think such broad stereotyping and generalizations are something that should be avoided generally. It casts aspertions on large groups of people, something that doesn't reflect all that well, even though it may not have been the intention.Not intended. I'm part-Anglo myself.
I'll explain it thus: I thought of her as a bitch who happens to be an Anglo-Saxon woman. Being racist towards Anglo-Saxon people would be self-defeating in my case.
But it you dislike the post, feel free to remove it.
Actually, were the other two parts of the post fine?
FaaipDeOiad
Hall of Fame Member
Is Clarke really that weak tactically? I haven't seen him captain a great deal but I've always been reasonably impressed. Certainly haven't seen anything to suggest he's incapable of growing into the role, and probably the best choice should Ponting step down tomorrow.
Yeah, fair enough - maybe I was a bit careless when using that word. It's just that I've encountered a few too many Anglo-Saxon women like that - admittedly though, only a few, but still a few too many for my liking.
andyc's racism charge did irk me though. Some political correctness is called for on an international forum, I suppose, but we should also not be careful to point fingers at each other and accuse them of having malicious intentions or motives.
But in the end, I don't really protest at the post's deletion if it occurs (though for the first part only, I'm guessing). Standards are standards, after all.
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White is quite highly regarded, but whether he'd even be able to make the Test-side on merit besides is debatable.
Clarke's T20 captaincy has struck me as being reasonably polished, but that stuff is a long way from a Test match.
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
FTR, at this stage, post hasn't been deleted.
Spark
Global Moderator
Yeah I've really, really liked his tactics so far. I recognise that's nothing on a Test match but he does seem to have acquired some of Warne's tactical nous, being friends and all. Don't know about his player management skills but as I said, he's learning from the very best.
Hmm. Interesting. Apparently the problem isn't the nude scandal, it's the selling the story for however many hundreds of thousands bit which is the problem...
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Well that might be the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak - it could be a culmination of bad behaviour by Bingle that compelled Clarke to break up (if he has).