*Official* England in Bangladesh

[S Chanderpaul]

Just an example because they fulfill somewhat similar roles, in 2005 Dimitri Mascarenhas averaged 49 with the bat and 23 with the ball, now no one and quite rightly so was arguing that he should be in the test side.

I will freely admit that Wright is a not a bad county batsman, certainly better than the likes of Dimi but he really does not look like he will ever be truly interntational class, maybe he could do a decent job at number 7 (like flintoff) but he will certainly never be a big enough threat with the ball to justify playing that role in the side.

I'm not saying he is international class like, but I feel it's unfair to judge him in a format we've not seen him play yet.

 

[GIMH]

Just an example because they fulfill somewhat similar roles, in 2005 Dimitri Mascarenhas averaged 49 with the bat and 23 with the ball, now no one and quite rightly so was arguing that he should be in the test side.

I will freely admit that Wright is a not a bad county batsman, certainly better than the likes of Dimi but he really does not look like he will ever be truly interntational class, maybe he could do a decent job at number 7 (like flintoff) but he will certainly never be a big enough threat with the ball to justify playing that role in the side.

At that time Flintoff was in the Test side though. If he wasn't, is it unfeasible to suggest that there would have been calls for his inclusion?

 

[Pothas]

At that time Flintoff was in the Test side though. If he wasn't, is it unfeasible to suggest that there would have been calls for his inclusion?

I think it would be unlikely to be honest, probably because of his pace. Not saying that is right but he has never been considerd be the selectors or public as a test option.

 

[FBU]

I'm not saying he is international class like, but I feel it's unfair to judge him in a format we've not seen him play yet.

Otherwise there is no point of selecting him for Tests squads to carry the drinks. They need to make their mind up on him one way or the other. At the moment he is more a batsman than an all rounder though.

Playing in f/c matches with the Lions
4 matches 368 runs at 61.33 - 2 100s 2 50s

(made 120 against Martin, Southee, O'Brien, Oram, Patel)

 

[Uppercut]

Bresnan certainly a bettter option, he is a proper bowler just a very mediocre one.

Bresnan is a young, fairly exciting prospect for England with all of the raw attributes you'd want from a swing bowler: 85mph+ pace, bounce, reasonable accuracy and good control over swing. And a useful batsman. He looks like the stereotype of a dowdy Yorkshireman who tries his best despite limited talent, but the aesthetics are lying.

 

[Pothas]

Bresnan is a young, fairly exciting prospect for England with all of the raw attributes you'd want from a swing bowler: 85mph+ pace, bounce, reasonable accuracy and good control over swing. And a useful batsman. He looks like the stereotype of a dowdy Yorkshireman who tries his best despite limited talent, but the aesthetics are lying.

do the lack of wickets lie as well?

 

[Uppercut]

do the lack of wickets lie as well?

No, but what do you want from a 24-year old Englishman in their first 20 ODIs? Bresnan's only three months older than Ajmal Shahzad. There's a massive scope for improvement in his game, and he's playing because he has the potential to be an excellent bowler at some stage in the future. A tour to Bangladesh is a good opportunity to blood him. Sure, you could pick David Masters, and he'd probably do a better job, but that's not the route the selectors want to go down.

I really do think he gets a bum deal from spectators because he looks like a stereotypical fat Yorkshireman.

 

[Pup Clarke]

So...what's wrong with 25 ODI wickets in 21 games? If your talking about FC cricket then 222 in 87 matches doesn't read particulary well, but I feel that in his return to the England side he looks pretty good. I think he'll do very well in FC cricket in 2010 actually.

 

[Pup Clarke]

Bresnan is a young, fairly exciting prospect for England with all of the raw attributes you'd want from a swing bowler: 85mph+ pace, bounce, reasonable accuracy and good control over swing. And a useful batsman. He looks like the stereotype of a dowdy Yorkshireman who tries his best despite limited talent, but the aesthetics are lying.

I swear you have said exactly that before in another post...probably almost word-for-word.

 

[GIMH]

I really do think he gets a bum deal from spectators because he looks like a stereotypical fat Yorkshireman.

Seems a fair enough reason to me

 

[Uppercut]

I swear you have said exactly that before in another post...probably almost word-for-word.

Probably true, but it was ages ago, and he's still getting unfair amounts of abuse so I thought I'd re-leap to his defence.

 

[Prince EWS]

No, but what do you want from a 24-year old Englishman in their first 20 ODIs? Bresnan's only three months older than Ajmal Shahzad. There's a massive scope for improvement in his game, and he's playing because he has the potential to be an excellent bowler at some stage in the future. A tour to Bangladesh is a good opportunity to blood him. Sure, you could pick David Masters, and he'd probably do a better job, but that's not the route the selectors want to go down.

I really do think he gets a bum deal from spectators because he looks like a stereotypical fat Yorkshireman.

Yeah, strongly agree. I am surprised he doesn't take many First Class wickets though. He took 45 or so at an average of about 26 in 2008 so when I saw him come into the team and bowl the way he did I just assumed he'd improved pretty quickly and that his 2008 stats told more of a story than his career stats, but then he went away and averaged over 35 in 2009. I don't get it, really, and it does bug me when I try to evaluate him. I certainly think he's a better option than Wright though.

 

[Uppercut]

Yeah, strongly agree. I am surprised he doesn't take many First Class wickets though. He took 45 or so at an average of about 26 in 2008 so when I saw him come into the team and bowl the way he did I just assumed he'd improved pretty quickly and that his 2008 stats told more of a story than his career stats, but then he went away and averaged over 35 in 2009. I don't get it, really, and it does bug me when I try to evaluate him. I certainly think he's a better option than Wright though.

It is tough to evaluate, but he's a work in progress. They can't really bring him into the performance squad and make a few tweaks to his bowling then immediately scrap him for a prettier model when his average rises slightly that season. It's not a good way of going about things if they're trying to develop quality fast bowlers.

Besides, variance is extremely heavy in yearly stats.

 

[social]

I think that Bresnan is quite a good prospect and can see him having a reasonable career if he knocks off a few rough edges and adds a bit of variety

Wright is a bit meh but, at the top level, so much is about the mental side of things so who knows?

 

[Pothas]

No, but what do you want from a 24-year old Englishman in their first 20 ODIs? Bresnan's only three months older than Ajmal Shahzad. There's a massive scope for improvement in his game, and he's playing because he has the potential to be an excellent bowler at some stage in the future. A tour to Bangladesh is a good opportunity to blood him. Sure, you could pick David Masters, and he'd probably do a better job, but that's not the route the selectors want to go down.

I really do think he gets a bum deal from spectators because he looks like a stereotypical fat Yorkshireman.

Was referring to his first class record not his ODI

I can certainly understand the logic, I just don't personally feel that Bresnan will ever develop into anything other than at best an ok test bowler who is a reasonable number 8, which is really not something England need with Broad and Swann in the side, we need to try and unearth a genuine wicket taker. Obviously I could be very wrong about Bresnan but I am sorry I just can't see him developing into one. I said he was a mediocre option and not a terrible one, am happy to stand by that until proven otherwise.

 

[S Chanderpaul]

Hmmm

Raqibul Hasan quits international cricket | Cricket News | Bangladesh v England 2009/10 | Cricinfo.com

 

[Pothas]

Trott set to open with Cook apparently

England face selection quandary ahead of first Test | Cricket News | Bangladesh v England 2009/10 | Cricinfo.com

NFI what the XI will be. Bell back at first drop though no doubt

Just emphasises why Strauss should never have missed this tour.

 

[Goughy]

I really do think he gets a bum deal from spectators because he looks like a stereotypical fat Yorkshireman.

As one stereotypical fat Yorkshireman talking aboutout another, I think the problem is that he isnt very accomplished and skilled. A downgrade as a Yorkshire seamer over years past let alone England.

 

[Uppercut]

As one stereotypical fat Yorkshireman talking aboutout another, I think the problem is that he isnt very accomplished and skilled. A downgrade as a Yorkshire seamer over years past let alone England.

Do go into detail if you will, you're infinitely more well-educated in fast bowling than I.

 

[Jungle Jumbo]

Hmmm

Raqibul Hasan quits international cricket | Cricket News | Bangladesh v England 2009/10 | Cricinfo.com

Shades of Pakistan.

Hopefully he'll soon see the error of his ways, apologise and reverse his decision. Bangladesh certainly need him with the paucity of batting lying around at the moment. Seems such an odd thing to do after lashing 150+ runs against England last week as well. He should be on a high right now.

Jahurul Islam (who has apparently been called up to replace him) has been a consistent performer in the NCL for a few years now, but he's always opened. I can't ever recall him batting anywhere else. Now Bangladesh have four openers in their squad.

Two steps forward, one step backwards.