*Official* England in Bangladesh

[Jarquis]

You shouldn't be so presumptious as to assume that you know what I have, or haven't read.

I believe that KP's original comment was probably factually accurate (that he hadn't seen him put a foot wrong). The fact that you have seen something different does not make the original comment wrong. To challenge the comment on the basis that you have seen 1 dropped catch is a bit facile. How many cricketers are there out there that haven't made 1 mistake. It's a bit like me saying your post was wrong because he didn't put a foot wrong, it was the position of his gloves that were the problem.

In the space of just over a paragraph you've described Kieswetter variously as poor, just up to scratch and average. You need to make up your mind. For me, average with the gloves and well above average with the bat - what more do you want from a 22 year old.

Well if you had read what I was responding to, your post didn't make a lot of sense..

Again in this very response you seem to have failed to understand what I was saying. In case you weren't aware, in the first sentence of the post you quoted I was mocking your idea that I was rating him off the basis of one drop. My use of poor came from your implication of me "rating him on the basis of one mistake".

As far as I'm concerned, up to scratch is average. So there it is, I've made up my mind.

 

[The_roc]

Well if you had read what I was responding to, your post was pretty ********.

Again in this very response you seem to have failed to understand what I was saying. In case you weren't aware, in the first sentence of the post you quoted I was mocking your idea that I was rating him off the basis of one drop. My use of poor came from your implication of me "rating him on the basis of one mistake".

As far as I'm concerned, up to scratch is average. So there it is, I've made up my mind.

I think it's sad that somebody can't maintain a logical well reasoned argument without resorting to insults.

If you'r not rating him on the basis of one bad catch, what are you rating him on? Vague and unsubstantiated comments such as 'Not sure if he dropped any others or even if he conceded a load of byes'

If you look at the overall PCA rankings for last year you will see that Foster was the only keeper to get more points for his glovework that Kieswetter. Not too shaby for 22.

 

[Sir Alex]

KP to play a huge innings in the first test and all stories about him vulnerable in the subcontinent to be dashed to pieces.

 

[Jarquis]

I think it's sad that somebody can't maintain a logical well reasoned argument without resorting to insults.

If you'r not rating him on the basis of one bad catch, what are you rating him on? Vague and unsubstantiated comments such as 'Not sure if he dropped any others or even if he conceded a load of byes'

If you look at the overall PCA rankings for last year you will see that Foster was the only keeper to get more points for his glovework that Kieswetter. Not too shaby for 22.

The fact of the matter is, I wasn't rating him in my initial post. I was simply pointing out an instance where he had "put a foot wrong". Again you're failing to understand what I posted and in which post I posted it in.

When I made my actual judgment on Kieswetter it was off all the evidence I have, when I've seen him play.

 

[TT Boy]

Will Bob Willis stick around for the tests? Was nice to hear Bob cover the ODI's.

 

[NasserFan207]

Seriously? I can't stand Bob.

 

[Pup Clarke]

KP gone to another part-time left-arm spinner.

 

[Migara]

KP to play a huge innings in the first test and all stories about him vulnerable in the subcontinent to be dashed to pieces.

Runs against BAN does not count according to some one

 

[stumpski]

100 and walk-off for Trott, followed not long after by the declaration. I thought this was a first-class match, Cricinfo have been treating it as such showing career averages etc, but I just noticed Bangladesh A are using 12 players. If they were going to do that, we may as well have done something similar.

 

[cricman]

100 and walk-off for Trott, followed not long after by the declaration. I thought this was a first-class match, Cricinfo have been treating it as such showing career averages etc, but I just noticed Bangladesh A are using 12 players. If they were going to do that, we may as well have done something similar.

Syed Rasel Picked up an Injury, so Ashraful and the BD-A Coach asked Flower, of they were ok with Replacing him, with Mahbubal Alam and England Obliged

 

[stumpski]

Fair enough, although I don't suppose Trott would be too thrilled at having his hundred expunged from the records as a result.

I think if it's a straight substitution the match should be able to retain f-c status, rather like in England when someone gets called up from a match for international duty and another player takes his place.

 

[Athlai]

It would remain a FC match, Jeetan Patel came in a day or so into a FC match this year for Wellington and it was all alowed because the opposing coach said it was fine by him.

 

[FBU]

Fair enough, although I don't suppose Trott would be too thrilled at having his hundred expunged from the records as a result.

I think if it's a straight substitution the match should be able to retain f-c status, rather like in England when someone gets called up from a match for international duty and another player takes his place.

Once it wasn't classed as a first class match England used Davies to keep wicket.

 

[Jungle Jumbo]

It would remain a FC match, Jeetan Patel came in a day or so into a FC match this year for Wellington and it was all alowed because the opposing coach said it was fine by him.

Was he unavailable for the first day because he was in the national squad and subsequently released though? Pretty sure that's the only situation where the first-class status can be retained.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Any guesses as to our team? Not even sure if we'll play 4 or 5 bowlers, myself. Probably lean more towards the latter if Tredwell plays as the 2nd twirler, as Trott or Colly as first change is a scary thought. Although if we do play five bowlers one of Carberry, Bell or Trott will miss out. Carberry most likely to, but who to open? Bell's done it before, I believe, but not an option I see having legs.

Assuming Broad & Onions pass whatever fitness tests they need to:

Cook*
Bell
Trott
Pietersen
Collingwood
Prior+
Broad
Swann
Bresnan
Tredwell
Onions

 

[Pup Clarke]

I'd go with...

Cook
Carberry
Bell
Pietersen
Collingwood
Trott
Prior
Broad (Plunkett)
Swann
Tredwell
Onions (Bresnan)

 

[marc71178]

I'd be more inclined to go with:

Cook
Carberry
Bell
Pietersen
Collingwood
Trott
Prior
Broad
Swann
Bresnan
Onions

The difference between our 3rd seamer and the back-ups is far more than that of Tredwell and KP / Colly's off cutters IMO.

4 bowlers is enough when there's 3 or 4 options in the batsmen.

 

[social]

You couldnt seriously contemplate Bell at 3??????

If he has to play, put him at 5 or 6

Trott must be 3 and there's no other opener so Carberry will be gifted the only 2 tests of his career

 

[Jungle Jumbo]

The Bangladeshis don't play pace well, so I'd go with the 3 seamers plus Swann attack. If we were playing any other subcontinental side it would be far trickier.

Bangladesh's side is probably even harder to predict

Tamim Iqbal, Imrul Kayes, Shakib Al Hasan, Mahmudullah, Mushfiqur Rahim should be nailed down. Raqibul Hasan will have to be picked now. Probably Aftab Ahmed after the last game.

The bowling is anyone's guess. There's plenty of spin with Shakib and Mahmudullah. Maybe Shuvo might get another game. Seems pointless playing more than two seamers anyway, they won't get to do much once the ball has stopped moving, other than just leak runs.

The Ashraful issue has resurfaced somewhat quickly and worryingly - Ashraful to be recalled? The argument is that there aren't too many batsmen crying out for a call-up and that if Ashraful is left to the domestic structure, he'll rot and become neglected. If only he had some common sense...


Tamim Iqbal
Imrul Kayes
Junaid Siddique
Aftab Ahmed
Shakib Al Hasan
Mushfiqur Rahim
Mahmudullah
Suhrawadi Shuvo
Shahadat Hossain
Shafiul Islam
Rubel Hossain

Not a great side at all. Just sifting through some NCL stats, for what they're worth (i.e. not a lot), Faisal Hossain, Jahurul Islam (opener), Nazimuddin and Shuvagoto Hom (very inexperienced) are the leading batsmen so far this season. Saqlain Sajib (SLA) has gone well with the ball, but his form has dropped off after 5 five-fers in the first few games.

Robiul Islam, Mohammad Sharif, Dolar Mahmud have all picked up wickets in the seam department. Not inspiring.

 

[Sir Alex]

You couldnt seriously contemplate Bell at 3??????

If he has to play, put him at 5 or 6

Trott must be 3 and there's no other opener so Carberry will be gifted the only 2 tests of his career

Bell looks accomplished more than Pietersen to play the slow lefties of Bangladesh at the moment.