Richards v Tendulkar - ODIs

[Zinzan]

Can we also take into accounts people, who vote due to spite, grudge, and/or hate? or anything else except cricket related reason. We know they exist.

And, I am Indian supporter, Sachin is my favorite player, and I voted for Richards.

Good for you Max ....

Hadlee was my schoolboy hero, but I'm happy to acknowledged Marshall was a slightly better bowler, so guess we're in the same boat in that respect. Getting tired of repeating this same point now but, just because some do see past nationalistic bias in some instances, we;re fooling ourselves if we flat-out deny it's even a factor & some wouldn't be sub-consciously swayed by emotion in a tight vote.

 

[Athlai]

As per my limited knowledge-

1)Anil
2)Edged&Taken ?
3)Himannv(not sure)
4)jaideep
5)Maximus0723
6)Pratters
7)Sanz
8)Uppercut

There are some who are pretty unclear.



SANZ voted for Richards and found it Idiotic.If voting for Richards matters that much.

Uppercut is Irish.

 

[silentstriker]

Warne was way better than McGrath!

That's a bloody lie and you should be banned for it!

 

[Maximus0723]

Good for you Max ....

Hadlee was my schoolboy hero, but I'm happy to acknowledged Marshall was a slightly better bowler, so guess we're in the same boat in that respect. Getting tired of repeating this same point now but, just because some do see past nationalistic bias in some instances, we;re fooling ourselves if we flat-out deny it's even a factor & some wouldn't be sub-consciously swayed by emotion in a tight vote.

Of course that can be the case. There can be many others against and for a player as well. Point is, you cannot filter out voters. It just doesn't work like that.

And also, there are lot of the voters I see, are good posters and/or have used cricketing reason.

The poll even if it's plus or minus few votes, indicates that they both are dam close and, isn't that we all agree upon? or most?

 

[Zinzan]

Of course that can be the case. There can be many others against and for a player as well. Point is, you cannot filter out voters. It just doesn't work like that.

And also, there are lot of the voters I see, are good posters and/or have used cricketing reason.

The poll even if it's plus or minus few votes, indicates that they both are dam close and, isn't that we all agree upon? or most?

Fair enough Max & you may well be right, I'm certainly not 100% either way, so lets stop talking about it & let's put it to the test aye, because I am now genuinely interested ....

If the overall result is indeed close to a 50/50 split & you're saying votes from West Indian & Indian supporters aren't really a factor or couldn't be distorting this result (which is what I'm questioning), then by that rationale, we would expect the neutral vote to be close to 50/50 too.

I will need some help from people in filling in the gaps here (& please correct me where I'm wrong) ......

What we're wanting to list below is the primary team the posters support. Once we've rolled it all up, we should be able to see if the Indian/WI votes have indeed distorted this poll in any way.

Firstly those who voted for Richards thus far;

Anil - India
Athlai - NZ
Edged&Taken - ?England?
Fusion -Pakistan
grecian - England
Himannv - ?Pakistan?
Ikki - Aust
jaideep - ?Pakistan?
jondavluc - Aust
kingcool1432 - ? (never posted)
L Trumper - ?
marc71178 - England
Maximus0723 - India
morgieb - Aust
Noble One - Aust
Pratters - India
Sanz - India
Shaggy Alfresco- England
sledger - England
Streetwise - Aust i
Swervy - England/Aust
The_Bunny - Aust
Uppercut - Ireland/Eng
zaremba - Eng
zinzan12 - NZ



Secondly those who voted for Tendulkar

AaronK - Pakistan
asty80 - ?
bagapath- India
Cevno - ?
cheeky_vinu - ?
Cruxdude - India
Dasa - ?
DingDong - NZ
duffer - India
Faisal1985, - Pakistan
freaknasty - India
G.I.Joe - India
havocas - India
honestbharani - India
JBH001 - NZ
Manee - Pakistan?
metallics2006 - India
Migara - SL
pasag - Aust
punter2002 - Aust ?
silentstriker - India
Sir Alex - India
SJS - India
stephen- Australia
Turbinator India

As I say...please help me fill in the blanks

 

[Agent TBY]

Richards:

Anil - India
Fusion - Pakistan
sledger - England

Tendulkar:

duffer - India
Faisal1985, - Pakistan
Migara - Sri Lanka
stephen- Australia

Could be wrong.

 

[Athlai]

Could be wrong.

Think all of those are right.

 

[jondavluc]

jondavluc - ?

Australia

 

[Zinzan]

Australia

Thanks & corrected

 

[Zinzan]

Think all of those are right.

Was hoping you'd be able to fill in some of the blanks truth be told

 

[Athlai]

Anil - India
Athlai - NZ
Edged&Taken - ?England?
Fusion -Pakistan
grecian - England
Himannv - ?Pakistan?
Ikki - Aust
jaideep - ?Pakistan?
jondavluc - Aust
kingcool1432 - ? (never posted)
L Trumper - ?
marc71178 - England
Maximus0723 - India
morgieb - Aust
Noble One - Aust
Pratters - India
Sanz - India
Shaggy Alfresco- England
sledger - England
Streetwise - Aust i
Swervy - England/Aust
The_Bunny - Aust
Uppercut - Ireland/Eng
zaremba - Eng
zinzan12 - NZ



Secondly those who voted for Tendulkar

AaronK - Pakistan
asty80 - ?
bagapath- India
Cevno - ?
cheeky_vinu - ?
Cruxdude - India
Dasa - ?
DingDong - NZ
duffer - India
Faisal1985, - Pakistan
freaknasty - India
G.I.Joe - India
havocas - India
honestbharani - India
JBH001 - NZ
Manee - Pakistan?
metallics2006 - India
Migara - SL
pasag - Aust
punter2002 - Aust ?
silentstriker - India
Sir Alex - India
SJS - India
stephen- Australia
Turbinator India

 

[Streetwise]

Not many West Indies supporters there.

 

[Athlai]

Not many West Indies supporters there.

Only 4 or so on the site I think.

 

[Streetwise]

Meh

 

[Migara]

Yet Viv(39.42) averages more in Pakistan than SRT(36.92).

So Viv was better than SRT against Pak on their home turf and they had the best bowling with the only notable spinner I get the impression straws are being clutched at.

That's a stupid little argument. Viv played Pakistan in 1975-1991 era where the main bowlers were Imran, Wasim and Qadir. Tendulkar played them 1989 - 2010 where he faced Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain, Mushtaq and Shoaib. Whenever Qadir vs SRT there was only one winner, which was not the case with Viv. You are the one clutching straws to be honest. The Pakistan attack Viv faced was best that Viv faced during his days, but inferior to what Tendulkar has been facing. Three world class bowlers (Viv faced) vs five (SRT faced). And, Viv did not face any bowler you'll have in the all time ODI XI perhaps except Imran and Hadlee. But SRT faced many who'd you have in your all time XI (Murali, McGrath, Wasim, Pollock, Saqlain, Warne, Waqar are few of them)

 

[Zinzan]

Of course that can be the case. There can be many others against and for a player as well. Point is, you cannot filter out voters. It just doesn't work like that.

And also, there are lot of the voters I see, are good posters and/or have used cricketing reason.

The poll even if it's plus or minus few votes, indicates that they both are dam close and, isn't that we all agree upon? or most?

Alright Max, with the benefit of hindsight, I can now answer that question. But first the findings;

Of the 50 voters, we think we've identified the sides 44 of them support, so we'll use that figure.

Of this, 17 (39%) were identified as Indian fans, 0 (0%) were identified as West Indian fans & 27 (61%) were identified as "neutrals"..

Of the 17 identified as Indian fans, 5 Voted for Richards & 12 for Tendulkar, a ratio of greater than 2: 1 in Tendulkar's favour

So how did the 'neutrals' vote....

18 of the 27 voted Richards & 9 for Tendulkar, so a ratio of 2:1 in Richard's favour

So to retrospectively answer your question in bold......no, It's not as 'close' as you're making out at all & now we've done the analysis, it would be ludicrous to suggest the Indian fans vote (in general) hasn't distorted this particular poll.

 

[morgieb]

Firstly those who voted for Richards thus far;

Anil - India
Athlai - NZ
Edged&Taken - ?England?
Fusion -Pakistan
grecian - England
Himannv - ?Sri Lanka?
Ikki - Aust
jaideep - ?Pakistan?
jondavluc - Aust
kingcool1432 - ? (never posted)
L Trumper - ?
marc71178 - England
Maximus0723 - India
morgieb - Aust
Noble One - Aust
Pratters - India
Sanz - India
Shaggy Alfresco- England
sledger - England
Streetwise - Aust i
Swervy - England/Aust
The_Bunny - Aust
Uppercut - Ireland/Eng
zaremba - Eng
zinzan12 - NZ



Secondly those who voted for Tendulkar

AaronK - Pakistan
asty80 - ?
bagapath- India
Cevno - India
cheeky_vinu - ?
Cruxdude - India
Dasa - India
DingDong - NZ
duffer - India
Faisal1985, - Pakistan
freaknasty - India
G.I.Joe - India
havocas - India
honestbharani - India
JBH001 - Sri Lanka
Manee - India
metallics2006 - India
Migara - SL
pasag - Aust
punter2002 - Aust ?
silentstriker - India
Sir Alex - India
SJS - India
stephen- Australia
Turbinator India

Thought I'd help it for you.

 

[Pratters]

What is it with the need to argue which of two all-time greats is the better, when they've played two different roles, in different games, in different eras. It's like asking who was better out of Warne and McGrath - the word "better" just doesn't cut it as a comparison because they are not like-for-like... and any attempts to do so will just result in the **** waggling we're exposed to here...

FWIW, Neil Fairbrother was better than either.

I think Richards and Tendulkar were alike in a lot of ways in their batting style and you can compare them. It is a bit futile I agree but interesting neverthless.

 

[Pratters]

There are more Indian supporters than West Indian ones, so the poll result will be biased towards Tendulkar.

 

[Maximus0723]

Alright Max, with the benefit of hindsight, I can now answer that question. But first the findings;

Of the 50 voters, we think we've identified the sides 44 of them support, so we'll use that figure.

Of this, 17 (39%) were identified as Indian fans, 0 (0%) were identified as West Indian fans & 27 (61%) were identified as "neutrals"..

Of the 17 identified as Indian fans, 5 Voted for Richards & 12 for Tendulkar, a ratio of greater than 2: 1 in Tendulkar's favour

So how did the 'neutrals' vote....

18 of the 27 voted Richards & 9 for Tendulkar, so a ratio of 2:1 in Richard's favour

So to retrospectively answer your question in bold......no, It's not as 'close' as you're making out at all & now we've done the analysis, it would be ludicrous to suggest the Indian fans vote (in general) hasn't distorted this particular poll.

Dude common man,
And there are Indian supporters who keep biased to the least and use cricketing reason to answer the question.
SJS, Baghpath, HonestBharani,SS come to mind.

To me, your conclusion seems that, you can't count Indian voters because they are all biased and that's their base of reasoning, for the most part.

The reason why you have more Indian voters is that, the guy(tendulkar) is Indian. They know about him. If there was a poll about Vaughn, Gooch, Thorpe...I wouldn't vote.

Also you are forgetting the spite, grudge, hate factors here.
btw, Jaideep is Indian. It's a common Indian name.

I would also discount Ikki and Sir Alex's votes. They are clearly biased.