*Official* West Indies In Australia

[GotSpin]

And why aren't you getting that SOME youngsters CAN come through early like Roach and Barath have shown? let me make this clear to you again that i'm not calling for the kids to be chucked in against South Africa, i'm saying they should maybe play a few ODI'S against Zimbabwe and see how they go, tbh Mr M we are clearly NEVER gonna agree on this subject so i don't see the point in debating it again.

But Roach and Barath haven't come through yet though. While I acknowledge they obviously possess bucket loads of talent, and I, like many others, would like to see them grow into test destroying players, it's not until they start taking wickets and making runs over an extended period of time will it be revealed if the new talent is able to deliver on a consistent base in the test arena and convert natural abilities into results, namely of course, a West Indian revival.

Give them two years before marking them down as accomplished test players!

 

[WindieWeathers]

Is there any remote chance of Fletcher being able to compete with Ramdin in the gloves department? If not, I don't think his spot should be in any danger and I don't see the need for putting pressure on him. Keeping abilities should always be far more important than the ability to add a few extra runs every now and again with the bat.

He isn't the worst one around that's for sure, and him just turning 22 i believe there's room for improvement in that department, i think Ramdin's glovework has improved a lot of the last few years so there's no reason why Fletcher's can't too, i guess it's up to him to put the work in.

 

[WindieWeathers]

But Roach and Barath haven't come through yet though. While I acknowledge they obviously possess bucket loads of talent, and I, like many others, would like to see them grow into test destroying players, it's not until they start taking wickets and making runs over an extended period of time will it be revealed if the new talent is able to deliver on a consistent base in the test arena and convert natural abilities into results, namely of course, a West Indian revival.

Give them two years before marking them down as accomplished test players!

The bottom line is they are very talented young players who've proven they are not out of their depth at test level, whether they go on to be the great stars i expect them to be is anyones guess.

 

[Streetwise]

The bottom line is they are very talented young players who've proven they are not out of their depth at test level, whether they go on to be the great stars i expect them to be is anyones guess.

Roach has proven to be out of his depth in tests, you only have to look at his figures.

 

[GotSpin]

Roach has proven to be out of his depth in tests, you only have to look at his figures.

Disagree. Roach is potentially one of the most exciting West Indian pace bowlers to emerge in years.

Even his figures suggest something better to come.

Average of 29.30 after 5 Tests including 3 away in Australia.

 

[Streetwise]

Disagree. Roach is potentially one of the most exciting West Indian pace bowlers to emerge in years.

Even his figures suggest something better to come.

Average of 29.30 after 5 Tests including 3 away in Australia.

Roach has played three tests against Australia for 7 wickets @ 51
and 2 tests against Bangledesh for 13 wickets @ 17

Nothing to suggest he is anything but a minnow basher.

 

[GotSpin]

If you look at it purely from that aspect than perhaps your right, but averages don't tell everything (I'm slightly contradicting my earlier post funnily enough). Roach bowled really well and he certainly roughed up Ponting badly with his fast, sharp bowling

 

[Streetwise]

If you look at it purely from that aspect than perhaps your right, but averages don't tell everything (I'm slightly contradicting my earlier post funnily enough). Roach bowled really well and he certainly roughed up Ponting badly with his fast, sharp bowling

Actually it was Ponting who roughed up Roach while he was injured that made me realise that Roach didnt have that much to offer.

 

[four_or_six]

lol @ the thread getting un-stickied while the series still has three matches to go. Is that how hopeless the WI's tour has become?

 

[Top_Cat]

Actually it was Ponting who roughed up Roach while he was injured that made me realise that Roach didnt have that much to offer.

What, by top-edging a ball he barely saw over the shortest boundary at the WACA?

Forget the numbers, just had to watch the way Roach worked over the batters in Adelaide to see he's pretty damn raw but oozes class with the ball.

 

[Streetwise]

What, by top-edging a ball he barely saw over the shortest boundary at the WACA?

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Is this the top edge you are talking about.

41.2
Roach to Ponting, FOUR, Spoke too soon as he gets inside of one and plays it to long leg - don't underestimate a wounded champion

41.3
Roach to Ponting, SIX, short and he takes him on hooking it into the crowd at long leg, right where Doug Walters hit Bob Willis in 1974 to bring up his 100 in that memorable Ashes Test match!!

41.4
Roach to Ponting, no run, defends off the back foot to mid on, looking a bit uncomfortable

41.5
Roach to Ponting, FOUR, goes back a gets it away off his hip to long leg, 464 so far in this over - great viewing here - the young bull versus the old bull

 

[gettingbetter]

Was watching the news on channel 10 now and after the main telecast the sport-presenter introduced some 'breaking' news. Huaritz and Hussey rested from Friday's game, Steve Smith gets a call up.

 

[Top_Cat]

Is this the top edge you are talking about.

Did you actually see the knock?

 

[vic_orthdox]

Hmm, I don't think that it was a pure top edge, but it certainly wasn't controlled.

 

[Nate]

Got to laugh at those criticising Roach. You clearly haven't watched him bowl.

 

[Manee]

Forget the numbers, just had to watch the way Roach worked over the batters in Adelaide to see he's pretty damn raw but oozes class with the ball.

I disagree that he oozes class, I reckon he is just a substanceless raw quick who will fizzle out, sooner rather than later. Of course, I do not discount that he could go in for the long haul like Lee and Akhtar but I think it is unlikely.

 

[Top_Cat]

I disagree that he oozes class, I reckon he is just a substanceless raw quick who will fizzle out, sooner rather than later. Of course, I do not discount that he could go in for the long haul like Lee and Akhtar but I think it is unlikely.

Ridiculously harsh, tbh. Time will tell.

 

[Manee]

Ridiculously harsh, tbh. Time will tell.

I didn't mean to be too harsh, tbh. I do not think that a few good Test and ODI series are beyond him, but I think he lacks the movement or potential to be consistent to have a long and successful career. The fact that he cannot take wickets consistently in WI FC cricket shows that he has a long way to go.

 

[Streetwise]

Got to laugh at those criticising Roach. You clearly haven't watched him bowl.

With both eyes.

 

[GotSpin]

I disagree that he oozes class, I reckon he is just a substanceless raw quick who will fizzle out, sooner rather than later. Of course, I do not discount that he could go in for the long haul like Lee and Akhtar but I think it is unlikely.

His simple action suggests that his speed could potentially be a long lasting threat rather than fizzling out. I hope he continues to improve at any rate.