Players with misleading averages....

[Jono]

The more people bag Sehwag the more runs he scores.

 

[G.I.Joe]

He's like this never giving up guy!

 

[wfdu_ben91]

Hayden had great physical power in no doubt, but could be a joke batsman when facing the ball moving in towards his pads. I lost a lot of respect for him as a player after the 05 ashes. He obviously couldn't cope with a 4 man attack in top form, and he was nowhere near the class of Tendulkar, Lara etc, not in a million years.

No where near the class of Tendulkar or Lara? Rubbish. He failed on the odd occasion during that series but got allot of starts that he just didn't captalise on them until the final Test.

 

[Jono]

Hayden is a rung below Sachin, Lara, Ponting and Steve Waugh. Surely you can't deny that?

 

[GuyFromLancs]

No where near the class of Tendulkar or Lara? Rubbish. He failed on the odd occasion during that series but got allot of starts that he just didn't captalise on them until the final Test.

He had severe technical problems that were often demonstrated by opponents who would not be bullied by him.

He didn't just fail on the odd occasion in "that series". He was served up on toast time and time again. His career saving century at the oval was the most boring knock I've ever seen him play and he was again left flat footed by a ball moving in towards the pads anyway.

I'll credit him with making the most of great power and limited talent.

 

[King Pietersen]

Can sense an argument about whether Hayden's a FTB coming up.....

 

[wfdu_ben91]

Hayden is a rung below Sachin, Lara, Ponting and Steve Waugh. Surely you can't deny that?

His not as good as them, but he is definately not more then half a class below them.

He had severe technical problems that were often demonstrated by opponents who would not be bullied by him.

He didn't just fail on the odd occasion in "that series". He was served up on toast time and time again. His career saving century at the oval was the most boring knock I've ever seen him play and he was again left flat footed by a ball moving in towards the pads anyway.

I'll credit him with making the most of great power and limited talent.

Before the last Test, he was averaging 22 in the series and his highest score was 36. Scores of 34, 31, 34, 36 and 26 are all starts. Out of 8 innings, to get a start on 5 occasions is normally fair going. The difference between averaging 50 and 30 in a series is if you go onto convert, because you're bound to fail once or twice throughout the series.

First Test at Lords on a minefield, Hayden looked brilliant until he played an awful shot. From there on in, the pressure started to mount because he hadn't scored runs in a long time and people were calling for his head - this was contributed by what he had done in previous series' leading up to the Ashes.

 

[Jono]

His not as good as them, but he is definately not more then half a class below them.

Lol, I don't even know how to quantify "half a class". That's just random words that people use.

All I know is that IMO he's not in the same batch of greatness as Lara, Sachin, Ponting and Steve Waugh. I'd also add Dravid and Kallis to that list.

Neither is Sehwag, Yousuf, Sangakkara etc, but just saying that Hayden didn't achieve what the above 6 achieved.

 

[wfdu_ben91]

Lol, I don't even know how to quantify "half a class". That's just random words that people use.

All I know is that IMO he's not in the same batch of greatness as Lara, Sachin, Ponting and Steve Waugh. I'd also add Dravid and Kallis to that list.

Neither is Sehwag, Yousuf, Sangakkara etc, but just saying that Hayden didn't achieve what the above 6 achieved.

I'd put Lara, Sachin, Waugh and Ponting in the top barrier. Hayden would be in the second barrier along with Dravid, Kallis and Pietersen. Third barrier would probably be the Sehwags, Sangakkara's, Gambhir's, Inzamam's, etc.

 

[Xuhaib]

I'd put Lara, Sachin, Waugh and Ponting in the top barrier. Hayden would be in the second barrier along with Dravid, Kallis and Pietersen. Third barrier would probably be the Sehwags, Sangakkara's, Gambhir's, Inzamam's, etc.

oh jesus!

 

[Jono]

I'd put Lara, Sachin, Waugh and Ponting in the top barrier. Hayden would be in the second barrier along with Dravid, Kallis and Pietersen. Third barrier would probably be the Sehwags, Sangakkara's, Gambhir's, Inzamam's, etc.

Serious question, what has KP done that Sehwag hasn't?

 

[wfdu_ben91]

Serious question, what has KP done that Sehwag hasn't?

Made runs in difficult conditions in difficult circumstances.

 

[Jono]

So has Sehwag.

In case you didn't know, today was a difficult circumstance... like his team needing to win (not simply avoid losing, but WIN) a test match. He blasted a ton in quick time to take the initiative.

This 2nd Test: Sri Lanka v India at Galle, Jul 31-Aug 3, 2008 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com

> any knock by Pietersen.

Unless you don't think facing Murali and Mendis on a turner is tough. Its only difficult on seaming wickets right? That is the worst CWism.

Edit: By the way I'm not saying Sehwag is superior to Pietersen (though I think his record is), but they aren't a class/rung apart.

 

[Xuhaib]

Made runs in difficult conditions in difficult circumstances.

agree unlike Sehwag was awesome in South Africa earlier this season.

 

[Jono]

agree unlike Sehwag was awesome in South Africa earlier this season.

Yeah really took to the SA bowlers and clobbered runs on those seaming wickets

 

[Xuhaib]

So has Sehwag.

In case you didn't know, today was a difficult circumstance... like his team needing to win (not simply avoid losing, but WIN) a test match. He blasted a ton in quick time to take the initiative.

This 2nd Test: Sri Lanka v India at Galle, Jul 31-Aug 3, 2008 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com

> any knock by Pietersen.

Unless you don't think facing Murali and Mendis on a turner is tough. Its only difficult on seaming wickets right? That is the worst CWism.

Edit: By the way I'm not saying Sehwag is superior to Pietersen (though I think his record is), but they aren't a class/rung apart.

Don't you know making runs in SL and Pakistan is **** easy so who cares Sehwag has been awesome in both countries while Pietersen has struggled in those neck of the woods.

 

[Jono]

Yeah tough batting conditions only exist outside the sub-continent of course. Every run scored in Asia is worth about 1/4 of the runs scored in Melbourne and Sydney.

Oh wait, Sehwag scored runs there too! :-o

 

[marc71178]

The more people bag Sehwag the more runs he scores.

All flat wickets tbh.

 

[wfdu_ben91]

Tough seaming conditions are a hell of allot harder for an Opening Batsman as opposed to tough Spinning conditions considering that when the spinners come on, the opener has already gotten his eye in and has runs under his belt.

Pietersen's debut was as hard as it gets. Walkin' in on an minefield, England 21-5 and McGrath at his very best - goes out and smashes two half centuries. Added to the fact that Sehwag bats along side the likes of Gambhir, Dravid, Tendulkar and Laxman whilst Pietersen is surrounded by a bunch of bottlers.

 

[Jono]

Your arguments are sound, and I think taking into account Pietersen's weaker batting line-up is definitely valid.

But you make it sound like there is daylight between them.

And by the way, do you really thing KPs twin 50s at Lords 2005 were more valuable than the purest definition of a match-winning knock like Sehwag's in Galle? He carried his bat whilst some awesome players of spin failed.

What about Sehwag in Chennai 2004 vs. McGrath, Gillespie (in the form of his life), Kaspa and Warne?